For NL Central, These Are the Best of Times

As you may have noticed, the top three teams in the NL Central, the Cubs (48-29, .623), Cards (45-33, .577), and Brewers (43-34, .558), also currently have the three best records in the National League. Who'da thunk?

Here is how the Big 3 rank against the rest of the NL in various categories.

First, hitting:

  R
HR AVG
OBP
SLG
OPS
SB
K*
BB
Cubs 1 4 1 1 2 1 9 6 2
Cards 5 10 3 2 6 4 12 15 1
Brewers 8 3 12 10 4 6 7 5 11

*Ranked in descending order of striketouts, i.e., Cards have the second fewest batting strikeouts in NL.

Gotta love where the Cubs sit in OBP, and, it goes without saying, runs scored. It's so un-Cublike.

 

Next, pitching ("S/ERA" is starters' ERA, "R/ERA" is relievers' ERA, QS is Quality Starts):

  ERA
S/ERA
R/ERA
BAA
OPS
QS
K/BB
WHIP
Cubs  1 1 4 1 4 7 5 2
Cards  6 3 13 10 7 5 10 6
Brewers  7 6 12 7 10 3 12 9

Interestingly, the Cubs are just fourth overall in the NL in strikeouts, a category they have dominated in recent years.

And here, a few fielding numbers (Fielding Percentage, Caught Stealing Percentage, Defensive Efficiency Ratio):

  F PCT
 CS PCT
 DER
Cubs 12 5 3
Cards 2 3 1
Brewers 9 2 5

 

One last quick note (lunch hour is over): In games decided by three or more runs—an area which I think receives far too little notice especially versus the team's record in one-run games, which are often decided on a single play or two, maybe even a chance bad bounce—the Brewers are 19-21, the Cards are 23-16, and the Cubs are 27-8.

Comments

God forbid for the first time in my lifetime, they have a kick ass team with an awesome record and they can't run away with the division!!

Damn!

Please just once!!

Vitters continues his hot streak going 3-for-6 with 2 doubles in Boise’s 7-4 win over Everett. He's now raised his average to .345.

Tito — February 7, 2008 @ 2:25 pm
Don’t forget, The Real Neal says there’s a good possibility that Dempster will be the Cubs’ best SP this year. So, it’s, like, a lock.

you were on the dumpster's side for starting?

damn...for a year+ it felt like i was the only person who liked it.

after all the back/forth i know the fears/concerns, but damn...not like he was some ace closer and he keeps the ball insanely in the park.

I also said that Dempster was due to have a good year ... by my prediction was that it wouldn't happen again until 2010.

haha.

i know there were others that thought it was a good idea. i just lost track of who and when and etc.

guy keeps the ball in the park...he wasn't an elite or irreplacable closer...he threw without velocity issues with regular workload without showing stress (though SOMETHING was really screwed up last Sept.).

i totally understand the concerns about his pitch counts, workload, etc...i just think the positives (and team need) outweighs not taking that chance. glad its working out so far even if its at a level that's beyond what everyone thought was probable. hope he keeps it up. hope he's sharp in sept/oct, too. guess we'll find out.

Congrats, Real Ne-al, and I'm glad you came back to gloat. I still think Big Z is their best pitcher, but I'm happy to admit that I did not expect Dempster to do this well.

If someone made a prediction that Dempster could be the Cubs best pitcher this year, they damn well have the right to gloat.

I thought people were way too hard on Dempster as a closer, but I never thought he would be anything other than a very mediocre starter. Anyone predicting anything close to this can go ahead and pat themselves on the back (just be prepared to be roasted if he has a Marquis-like 2nd half.)

absolutely, but it's important to note that previously when he was a starter he didn't have that splitter which is now his #1 pitch. He used to throw a ton of curveballs and his curve wasn't even a plus pitch for him. He ditched the curve and now he's essentially a FB, slider, splitter pitcher and he's done a fantastic job (if indeed it's intentional) of mixing speeds on his fastball. He was reaching back and hitting 94 a few times Sunday along with his usual 89-92. It also didn't hurt to have Maddux around for a couple years to learn from either. He's credited Maddog quite a few times in interviews I've read this year.

he didnt have "that splitter"?

ton of curve balls?

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/columns/story?column...

New article up on ESPN about Baseball's Best Duos so far - Cubs are all over it.

from that article...(emphasis mine)

It's easy to take Marmol for granted when he's sucking up outs in the seventh and eighth every night. He's averaging 12.80 strikeouts per nine innings, and he's been borderline flawless with the exception of ERA-wrecking flare-ups against San Diego, Tampa Bay and Pittsburgh.

damn..

quick look using the BR PI index and 12.8 K/9 is good for 22nd all-time with at least 40 appearances in a season. The top 25 are all after 1989 and all specialized relievers.

http://www.bb-ref.com/pi/shareit/v73a

Yeah, no wonder they're all specialized relievers since I set the target at 40..duh. Let's try this...


http://www.bb-ref.com/pi/shareit/vhgd

That's K/9 over 10 and at least 30 games with 90% of them as a starter


Randy Johnson had a 13.41 K/9 in 2001
Pedro 13.20 in 1999
then Johnson again for 6 more seasons...

39 players total fit that criteria including Kerry and Prior, both in 2003

As someone here pointed out not too long enough, a quick glance at Demp's BABIP suggests he can't keep up this pace forever.

It's .247, one of the best in the majors along with other early-season surprises like Gavin Floyd, Shaun Marcum, Justin Duchsherer, Joe Saunders, Scott Olsen and surprisingly Cole Hamels.

I was really surprised to see that we had the #1 starter's ERA in the National League. Then I noticed that Marquis has it all the way down to 4.43. And Lilly's got it down to 4.71. Gallagher's tossing up a 3.92.

I guess our rotation has suddenly turned it on in the last 3 weeks.

I was surprised too, & thats why I'm not so sure we need to focus attention on trading for another starter.

Its a shame that besides Zeus and Wood, everybody else in the pen seems really schizophrenic, wasting some very nice starts, as well as offence.

I know that you're not supposed to trade for relievers, but I sure would like a bit more consistency.

Cubs

Fuku
Riot
Dlee
Birthday Boy (Aram turns 28 today)
Soto
Dero
Edmonds
The Venuzulan Corey Patterson (Lou must really hate gingers)
Lilly

(Also Burres has the flu and Albers will make the start, so the VCP will most likely be on the bench)

Orioles

Roberts
Markakis
Mora
Huff
Hernadez
Payton
Scott
Cintron
Albers

"Birthday Boy (Aram turns 28 today)"

He's 30.

In his first 4 full Cubs seasons (2004-2007), he has never hit below .291, and has averaged over 30HR and less than 65K per year.

His K's are up surprisingly this year (49 already), but so are his BBs (his OBP is over .400 for the first time), and he is on pace for another .290+ and 30+ HR year.

A hearty "thanks!" to Jim Hendry and the Pirates for this cornerstone to what has been the most consistently competitive Cubs team I can remember -- since his arrival in 2003: two playoff appearances and one near miss in 5 years, and a great first half of 2008.

Enjoy him, becasue we will miss him when he is gone.

Well he is hitting so good maybe he found the Fountain of Youth with one of his latest swings. Yes he is a child of 78 and not 80.

lol ... "Tejada math".

Strange Lineup... After K-Fuk bats first, that's five righties in a row, followed by four lefties in a row...

if i remember right back in april on a couple of
posts i stated that dempster would be our
2nd best pitcher and win 15 games.

C'mon. The game's not 15 minutes old and the Cards already out to a 2-0 lead (HRs by "Shoe Maker" and "Ankle").

"I know that you're not supposed to trade for relievers..."

I don't think Hendry will go that route, primarily because of the amount of money that's already tied up with two of the middle - relief veterans in the pen. They certainly haven't performed up to expectations, considering the resources expended on them. Shades of Veres and Remlinger in '03.

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  • I am right there with you closing in on 60.

    I don't care that much about "mortgaging" one player who is not only blocked by two guys, but is not ready to hit the majors for at least a couple years.

    There is no reason why this team, this year, can't have a real shot at something NONE of us have experienced.

    Further, I don't feel that even if they fall short that they have ruined their farm system.

    I have made my opinion clear here, with others, Warren was shit on the Cubs save one spot start.

    The E-Man 11 min 25 sec ago view
  • Trading for Warren, Warren sucking, getting Warren back for Chapman plus 3 prospects, sounds like Revenge of The Yankees on the former Boston executive. Old rivalries never die.

    I pray to the heavens above Chapman doesn't suck for some reason, or he'll be booed out of town faster than a Todd Hundley revival meeting.

    Old and Blue 19 min 4 sec ago view
  • I'm kind of nostalgic for the Schwarber-for-Miller rumors.

    Brick 30 min 48 sec ago view
  • This offseason, after some ridiculous playoff run and Chapman saving every game from here until the end of the postseason striking out 27/9innings, I welcome anyone to quote this thread and call me a dummy: I hate this trade, and my hate is 2 parts Chapman makes this team less likeable and 1 part that's a ridiculous overpay for 30 regular season innings and, at tops, 10 postseason innings. Already hoping they don't extend him.

    Charlie 32 min 37 sec ago view
  • btw...Thanks AZ Phil. I'm really enjoying your take on this trade.

    Cubster 54 min 56 sec ago view
  • I'm a bit disappointed on the Warren experience. Essentially they gave Castro away for crickets (OK, well they signed Zobrist with the Castro salary dump). Otherwise one might look at it as Chapman for Castro and our #1 minors prospect (Torres) + McKinney/Crawford. Seems pricey for a 2 month rental. We will see if this price tag is that steep in a relative way based on the remaining deadline deals for relievers.

    Cubster 55 min 24 sec ago view
  • Yep. One of the great things about this team (in addition to being really good at baseball) was the "likable" factor. Feels a bit different now. Who knows...maybe Chapman will be the king of the dance parties.

    billybucks 1 hour 4 min ago view
  • Here are some possible corresponding minor league moves we might see in the aftermath  of the Chapman trade: 

    SOUTH BEND to MYRTLE BEACH: OF Donnie Dewees and INF Bryant Flete  

    EUGENE to SOUTH BEND: OF Robert Garcia and INF Vimael Machin 

    There is really no reason to replace Billy McKinney at Tennessee because both Chris Coghlan and Jorge Soler are doing their rehab at Tennessee.  

    And there are plenty of pitchers at Iowa. No need to replace Warren at AAA. .  

    Arizona Phil 1 hour 24 min ago view
  • I am 70 years old. The Cubs last played in the World Series in 1945. I was born in 1946. I hate to lose a prospect like Torres, but when the opportunity is there to get that World Series ring, you go for it. This was the idea in stock piling all this young talent. I would like to see Reddick added now and the Cubbies should be done.

    Hagsag 1 hour 54 min ago view
  • I would expect Richard to accept an optional assignment because based on how he's played this season, there is a decent chance that he won't find work elsewhere. Rather stay and potentially get a ring. Same goes for Coghlan since he's struggled mightily this year.

    Edwards should not go down. He's pitched very well and Maddon is very impressed with him. I would expect Grimm to go down for Cahill so he can get back on track (he's pitched better in July, but he's not getting enough appearances).

    chitownmvp01 1 hour 58 min ago view
  • chitownmvp01: Indeed Clayton Richard would seem to be odd man out once Chapman reports, but Richard might accept a minor league assignment if he is promised a return to Chicago on 9/1 when MLB Active List rosters expand (Richard has minor league ioptions left).

    Arizona Phil 2 hours 1 min ago view
  • The only player in the deal that would cause me a second thought is Gleyber Torres.

    McKinney and Crawford are decent prospects but both are redundant/replaceable in the system and Warren was really only a middle-reliever or #6 starter, so to me it's really just Torres for Chapman.

    Arizona Phil 2 hours 21 min ago view
  • There is no Comp pick for players traded mid-season. 2+ months of Chapman is it.

    mbauer 2 hours 24 min ago view
  • to get one of the best you have to give up one/some of your best...but it's a bit painful to watch the system's best prospect walk for any 2-3 month rental, especially one that's not an everyday player.

    crunch 2 hours 26 min ago view
  • I assume Chapman will replace Richard on the roster, but who goes down when Cahill gets activated? Maybe Grimm?

    And when Soler and Coghlan get healthy, how do they fit them on the roster when they're ready to be activated?

    chitownmvp01 2 hours 29 min ago view
  • We are giving up a lot, but it's not like we're trading Addison Russell for 2+ months of Jason Hammel. When impact players become available, they are going to cost you. The other bids could also have been high.

    Having Chapman as a rental is potentially less disruptive than having him come in with an extension in place. 

    CTSteve 2 hours 31 min ago view