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Who is more responsible for the Cubs success this year?

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Jim Hendry
60% (40 votes)
Lou Piniella
40% (27 votes)
Total voters: 67

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#1 Re: Who is more responsible for the Cubs success this year?

Comments are open on this topic btw...

#54 Re: Who is more responsible for the Cubs success this year?

I pick straight vodka over the doughnut infused vodka. I have to say it's a relief to see Pinella come out with the hook when a pitcher is screwing up. Dusty would have kept whoever in too long to "try and work it out," which usually failed.
It's also nice that while ownership is in flux, Hendry has been able to conduct business reasonably well. The only two curses I believe in as far as the Cubs are concerned are:
1)Cursed with bad owners
2)Cursed with bad scouts
Historically speaking that is.

#2 Re: Who is more responsible for the Cubs success this year?

Well, my take on the Cubs success is due to their extraordinary patience, relative to recent teams. I credit that to Piniella. Moreover, I think Hendry is pliable to the expressed needs of his manager. So when Dusty says we need Tom Goodwin, Neifi Perez, et al., Hendry responds. I'm hesitant to credit Lou for Fukudome and Soto, but I think that any in-season acquisitions will be the type of player that Lou values, rather than the type that Hendry has historically valued. Steve Trachsel withstanding.

#3 Re: Who is more responsible for the Cubs success this year?

It doesn't matter what the manager says he needs. The GM is his boss. If Hendry doesn't think that Neifi Perez will help win ball games then he shouldn't sign him, no matter what the manager says.

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#5 Re: Who is more responsible for the Cubs success this year?

Well that's your view of how it SHOULD work, but not necessarilty how it does work! I'm guessing it is somewhere in the middle. I doubt Dusty said "I NEED Tom Goodwin" and I also doubt that Jim says "you manage with the players I give you, period." I'm sure they work back and forth. Jim is attentive to what types of players Lou says he needs, but only signs specific players to fit those roles that he thinks will help the team win.

#10 Re: Who is more responsible for the Cubs success this year?

I think it pretty much goes...

Hendry: what do ya need?
Lou: I need this and this and that.
Hendry: ok lemme see what i can do...ok i can get you this and this but not that.
Lou: ok if you can't get me that how about this?
Hendry: ok that's doable
Lou: great. see you later
Hendry: i'll be at krispy kreme if you need me.

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#17 Re: Who is more responsible for the Cubs success this year?

If Hendry doesn't think that Neifi Perez will help win ball games then he shouldn't sign him, no matter what the manager says.

While what you say is true, it is yet not the truth.

#4 Re: Who is more responsible for the Cubs success this year?

Both.

They both have been good.

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#6 Wrigley Field Seating Capacity

Cubs.com says 41,160
http://chicago.cubs.mlb.com/chc/ballpark/index.jsp

Carrie "mailbag" Muskrat says 41,210
http://chicago.cubs.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=2...

Anyone know who's right?

#7 Re: Wrigley Field Seating Capacity

there have been a number of recent renovations so both of those numbers might be inaccurate.

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#9 Re: Wrigley Field Seating Capacity

do you keep editing this comment or something? It's shown up as "new" three times for me now?

I would guess they didn't get around to updating the new auction seats on cubs.com and muskrat/sullivan are right with 41,210...but just a guess.

 

#13 Re: Wrigley Field Seating Capacity

This question is all over the internet with a variety of numbers cited. Last year it was listed as 41,160 and the Cubs website says there are 71 CBOE seats this year. But I have no idea if a few normal seats were eliminated in the construction of the 71 new ones. So who knows.

#14 Re: do you keep editing this comment

Sorry, yeah, attributions didn't match the links. Had to fix.

#15 Re: do you keep editing this comment

no worries, I thought I was living in some Groundhog Day loop there for a minute.

#8 Bruce Miles reports: Cubs consider shutting RICH HILL down

#11 Re: Bruce Miles reports: Cubs consider shutting RICH HILL down

how the mighty have fallen...

other interesting notes from that article, Soriano taking batting practice this weekend in all likelihood and will bat leadoff when he returns. Fukudome likely dropping to the 2 spot with Edmonds batting 5th vs righties. Reed Johnson will be back Thursday, meaning Murton or Epat gets sent down.

 

 

#16 Re: Bruce Miles reports: Cubs consider shutting RICH HILL down

Best part of the article, from Lou: "But just looking at the numbers, and we go by numbers here, plus we go on how a guy's throwing."

#18 6-man rotation?

guess i glanced over that one, but is Gallagher headed to the pen or minors or are they going with a 6-man rotation until the ASB?

#25 Re: 6-man rotation?

Marshall to the bullpen I believe I read in Sun Times.

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#29 Re: 6-man rotation?

the daily herald article linked just above says Marshall will pitch this weekend vs the Cardinals since they struggle versus lefties. Maybe that'll be his last start...

#39 Re: 6-man rotation?

Marquis gets skipped this weekend and then Astacio or Cotts gets sent down I guess.

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#19 Re: Bruce Miles reports: Cubs consider shutting RICH HILL down

I was just about to note the same quote but you beat me to it. It's nice to have a manager who goes with more than just gut feel.

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#12 Re: Bruce Miles reports: Cubs consider shutting RICH HILL down

The boy just needs a vacation really. Send him to the Caribbean. he's got the pitching equivalent of writers block and a holiday with hot girls would be just the thing.

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#20 Re: Who is more responsible for the Cubs success this year?

Boy, Hendry's popularity has come a long way since the Dusty era. Wait till Manny sees this poll.

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#22 Re: Who is more responsible for the Cubs success this year?

I don't think Manny reads anymore now that the Cubs are good. Maybe after another few 3-game losing streaks we'll see him bitching about how bad Hendry is again.

#24 Re: Who is more responsible for the Cubs success this year?

Or maybe he's moved over to BCB where his bitching would be more appreciated?

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#21 Re: Who is more responsible for the Cubs success this year?

Since Hendry hired Lou Piniella, isn't Hendry ultimately responsible for the Cubs' success?

Also, I could have sworn I heard the attendance was over 45k when the White Sox came to town. That has to include SRO, which I guess isn't a part of "seating" capacity. Maybe I misheard the number on the telecast, but I was shocked since I thought capacity was in the low 41k's.

I don't understand why no one has a concrete answer on exactly how many people Wrigley holds, including SRO. There has to be a finite number of tickets they can possibly sell, so why doesn't anyone know the answer?

#23 Re: Who is more responsible for the Cubs success this year?

Attendance at Wrigley is a mystery, like Theriot's injured hand.

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#27 Re: Who is more responsible for the Cubs success this year?

or Rich Hill's control?

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#28 Wrigley capacity

Didn't Manny and CWTP have a big ol' throwdown argument about the seating capacity of Fenway Park sometime during the offseason? Maybe we can bring them both back to settle this one.

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#32 Re: Wrigley capacity

Ooooh, a rematch! Wonder how many tickets we could sell for that? Anyone know what the commenting capacity of TCR is? Or should we do it in parachat? Trans and Carlos can do the play by play. Chad will be referee, but of course no one will pay attention to what he says.

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#99 Re: Wrigley capacity

I'm up for that.

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#26 Re: Who is more responsible for the Cubs success this year?

Do the Cubs have the ability to just keep printing SRO tickets as long as they feel like it for one particular game, figuring that somehow people will continue to fit themselves inside the stadium? Is there some fire code restriction that caps that number?

#31 Re: Who is more responsible for the Cubs success this year?

They can't allow an infinite number of people in the stadium. Safety codes would kick in somewhere. But since we can't even find the definitive answer for seating capacity, I doubt we'll figure out the max with SRO. Although this would be public record, so some Chicago Building Permits/Codes office would have the info.

#35 Re: Who is more responsible for the Cubs success this year?

That would likely have to include non-spectators in the capacity as well, so I think this may be one question we'll never know the answer to.

#30 Re: Who is more responsible for the Cubs success this year?

Lou is so much more responsible for changing the culture of this entire organization.

Lou plays who can play. He knew, Pie, Barret, and Izturis couldnt, so he didnt. Regardless if they were slotted by the GM or not.

Hendry is quite overrated. I'd like to give him credit for Soto, but he had Koye Hill, Rob Bowen and Jason Kendall up here, when Geo was mashing AAA pitching last year.

Hendry signed Fukudome, yeah thats great, but I would have preferred he would have drafted Nick Markakis, instead of Ryan Harvey, who is in Single A now.

He also drafted that bust Pawelek, when Ellsbury, Buchholz were drafted after him.

Hendry and Oneri Fleita, can't evaluate their own talent let alone others. I knew Rich Hill, was weak between the ears, i could see it in the way he carried himself. That guy is done for the near future. I would have traded him when he was a prospect and especially after last year. I still can't get over that Batting Practice Fastball he through Chris Young in Game 3 last year. There's a reason why it took Rich Hill 3 different chances to figure it out at the ML level after dominating AAA. He was scared to fail.

Hendry told all of us cub fans, that Pie is ready or very close. He looks it doesnt he?

Lou is the man, he changed the culture of the team. They take more pitches, work the count and they play like winners now.

Theriot, Fontenot are all better because Lou has convinced them they can play and contribute. Oneri fleita told Theriot that he wont make it, because he gave up switch hitting.

Hendry did a good job with Lilly and Derosa signings, and the steal of DLee, ARAM and their extensions. But I'm not giving him the lionshare of any credit. A lot of us baseball geeks could have done the same, in our spare time. Hendry is in the business.

#33 Re: Who is more responsible for the Cubs success this year?

Didn't Dusty come in and change the "culture" of the organization too?

and GM's don't do much with the draft, other than hire the scouting director. Bash him for Pawelek or Harvery, you have to give him credit for Soto, Marmol, Theriot, Gallagher, etc....

I knew Rich Hill, was weak between the ears, i could see it in the way he carried himself. That guy is done for the near future. I would have traded him when he was a prospect and especially after last year. I still can't get over that Batting Practice Fastball he through Chris Young in Game 3 last year. There's a reason why it took Rich Hill 3 different chances to figure it out at the ML level after dominating AAA. He was scared to fail.

Great work...clearly you've missed your calling. 

#53 Who else was weak between the ears

Do you guys know who else was weak between the ears post 4-5-1994?

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#38 Re: Who is more responsible for the Cubs success this year?

I voted for Lou, but it was a tough call. Hendry is not useless. In fact, he directly signed, drafted, or traded for every player on the 25-man roster except Theriot, Soto, Cedeno, Marmol, and Wuertz, who were in the system when he took over as GM. I think Lou has played a huge role in getting the Cubs to play this well, but Hendry built this team over the last few years.

#41 Re: Who is more responsible for the Cubs success this year?

Hendry was assistant GM and scouting director of the Cubs before being GM, so he certainly had more to do with getting Theriot, Soto, Cedeno, Marmol and Wuertz then Lou did.

 

#44 Re: Who is more responsible for the Cubs success this year?

Yeah I never said Lou had more to do with getting those players, just that they were in the system before Hendry became GM...

#46 Re: Who is more responsible for the Cubs success this year?

well let me rephrase...Hendry probably had more to do with getting those players then he did with any players drafted after he became GM.

#50 Re: Who is more responsible for the Cubs success this year?

So we can agree then that for the current roster, Hendry had a strong hand in obtaining everyone, but perhaps Gallagher and Marshall who were drafted after he became GM and he delegated drafting to others.

#40 Re: Who is more responsible for the Cubs success this year?

Wow. I guess Lou really changed the culture back in Tampa Bay when he was winning 63, 70, and 67 games per year. The manager of a baseball team is the most overrated position in all of sports. Good players win games, bad players lose games. Hendry has given Lou good players to work with, and he's winning games.

Of course a good manager can win a few extra games with strategy, motivation, and team attitude and vice versa for a bad manager, but Lou isn't the main reason the Cubs are good this year.

And you're seriously using missed draft picks to rate Hendry's tenure? How about all the other GMs who drafted shitty players ahead of future stars? Do you realize Bucholz was picked 42nd in the 2005 draft? That means every single team passed on him at least once, not just Hendry.

I also love how you dismiss Hendry's good moves and emphasize his bad ones. Yeah, DLee, ARam, Zambrano's extension, Fukudome, Soto, DeRosa, Dempster - none of those are really important. Let's focus on Ryan Effing Harvey.

#45 Re: Who is more responsible for the Cubs success this year?

I just disagree with your first part. Managers and coaches make a world of difference. Great players can lose a ton of games with a bad manager. I think you need both good players and a good manager to win.

#59 Re: Who is more responsible for the Cubs success this year?

I'll agree that coaches can make a pretty big difference, and since managers tend to pick their coaches then by the transitive property (I think), the manager does have a fairly significant impact.

However, of all the major sports, being a baseball manager has to be the easiest head coaching job. There's no complex offensive or defensive schemes to dream up and hardly any plays to call. Most intelligent people with at least a high school varsity level of baseball experience (or people who have just studied the game a lot) could probably fill in reasonably well for a manager on any given day. In fact I believe they made a great documentary about this called, "Little Big League." (I kid)

Of course there's more to it than setting the lineup and going to the pen when necessary, but it's not like Lou Piniella is Bill Belichick out there.

Also, I think most of us agree that Dusty Baker is a pretty terrible manager, but he rode Barry Bonds to the World Series and almost rode Wood, Prior, and Sosa there. Awful managing with some great performances by players can still get you a long way.

#48 Re: Who is more responsible for the Cubs success this year?

"I knew Rich Hill, was weak between the ears, i could see it in the way he carried himself. That guy is done for the near future. I would have traded him when he was a prospect and especially after last year. I still can't get over that Batting Practice Fastball he through Chris Young in Game 3 last year. There's a reason why it took Rich Hill 3 different chances to figure it out at the ML level after dominating AAA. He was scared to fail."

That was a good hypothesis and I suspect that may have a lot to do with it. However, I think you jump to your conclusions a little too quickly. Accordingly, I can't get on board with your other opinions the way I would, say, those of an AZ Phil.

Finally, your screen name indicates a pre-determined prejudice about Hendry. This makes me heavily discount any evaluation you make about Hendry. It's not like you have an open mind on the subject.

Sorry, dude.

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#49 Re: Who is more responsible for the Cubs success this year?

It's a jump to conclusions mat...

#57 Re: Who is more responsible for the Cubs success this year?

Love the misty reference.

EDIT: Ooops....that's an office space reference, isn't it? Still fun, but less love than MST3K. For other misties, I was thinking of the workout square, whatever it's called. Silly me.

#60 Re: MST3K Reference

don't recall that reference but I do want to bring up that the original MST3K crew are back with a new venture.

Cinema Titanic
Home Page:
http://cinematictitanic.com/wpmu/

Trailers:
http://cinematictitanic.com/wpmu/trailers/

Interview:
http://www.ifc.com/film/film-news/2008/03/joel-hod...

#62 Re: MST3K Reference

Sweet!

Plus, I think that Lou is important and I think that Jimbo is important, but Fukkakedome is the main reason that the Cubs are winning. He is the wind beneath their wings. I love you Kosuke.

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#63 Re: MST3K Reference

That's pretty cool. I hadn't heard the gang was back together.

Also, I was thinking of The Square Master, one of the invention exchanges from Warrior of the Lost World. It was literally a square of fabric.

"Put two square masters together--now you're really working out!"

#67 Re: MST3K Reference

speaking of...I found out the replacement guy, Mike Nelson and some others have started their own as well.

http://www.rifftrax.com/

and

"The Film Crew"

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0625621/

#34 For those voting Lou...

I am curious as to what role he played in acquiring Marmol, Soto, Theriot, Lee, Ramirez, Howry, Wood, Wuertz, Gallagher, Marshall, Dempster, etc?

and I'm curious exactly how much people think he had to do with getting Soriano, Fukudome, DeRosa, Lilly, Marquis, Edmonds, etc?

and don't get me wrong, i think Lou is a very good manager and far better talent evaluator than the last manager, but most of the key characters that were acquired were on Hendry's radar before he ever hired Lou. We know they were looking at DeRosa, Fukudome, Soriano, Lilly, even Marquis before they ever hired Lou. The biggest credit I give to Lou is for his statement about "if you want a patient offense, you need to acquire patient hitters in the offseason". But he said that about mid-way through last season. Maybe that's the impetus to go after Fukudome instead of someone else, but the Cubs were looking at Fukudome for 2-3 years now.

And let's not forget who actually hired Lou when most people including his boss were pushing for Girardi?

#36 Re: For those voting Lou...

But Rob... Hendry has missed on some players and some evaluations of players. And therefore, because of Hendry's mistakes, he sucks.

No other good GM misses. Ever.

And Lou never makes mistakes either!

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#37 Re: For those voting Lou...

Agree -- Hendry has provided (and, importantly, retained) some high quality players. The "culture" changed in 2003 -- looking at the 6 seasons starting in 2003, the Cubs have been in the palyoffs twice, had one near miss and are in first place halfway through 2008. That's 4 highly competitive years out of 6, with 2 injury-fueled duds mixed in. Not bad.

But, as has been said, Lou won't play his GM's mistakes, and so Lou also gets a lot of credit for shaping the roster. Also -- did having Lou help the Cubs chances with Soriano, Lilly and Fukudome? Probably didn;t hurt.

Whose idea was it to move Marmol for catcher to pitcher? Now that guy deserves some credit.

Also -- who decided to switch Wood and Dempster? So far, that has been a terrific move.

#42 Re: For those voting Lou...

probably a consortium of Cubs minor league coaches, but Fleita would have the ultimate decision on converting players. Of course, the player has to agree to it.

#111 Re: For those voting Lou...

Marmol initially said no, then was convinced that he'd get to the majors as a pitcher and not a catcher. I have to think that an outright refusal might eventually lead to an outright release, but who knows.

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#43 Re: For those voting Lou...

I really like Hendry, but one thing I give credit to Lou for is for creating a culture of accountability. For the most part if you screw up or complain, you are going to sit or be shipped out. No one is calling up to the press box this year, and they aren't fighting one another in the dugout. It seems the cancers on the team have been weeded out. And we are seeing more quality at-bats and innings pitched this year. They hustle, play all 9 innings and come from behind a lot, make plays when they need to, rebound after losses, etc. When Lou comes out to the mound and tells the pitcher to throw f-ing strikes, more times than not the pitcher gets his shit together.

I've been following the Cubs since the late 1980s and I can never remember another time where I would watch something go bad and KNOW that when I woke up the next morning Lou would have already addressed it in the post-game interview. When Patterson had that atrocious game in LF the other day it was easy to predict that Lou would not tolerate it. I think the players realize they have to play a certain way to keep playing for Lou and it makes them play better, and the team win. That's something totally new for the Cubs franchise. Hendry could have built an all-star team, but I think we needed a bit of Lou to get over the Cubbery.

#51 Re: For those voting Lou...

Agree, but....Cubs play Patterson at 2B his entire minor league career, then stick him in LF when he gets to the majors, then call him out for being a lousy OF? That sucks.

#52 Re: For those voting Lou...

Yeah, totally not E-Pat's fault at all. It did suck, especially since he looked fairly good at the plate.

#56 Re: For those voting Lou...

By all reports, E Pat is lousy at 2B, too. If I recall the discussions were all like "maybe if he gets moved to the outfield he'd be less of a defensive liability."

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#65 Re: For those voting Lou...

Probably a good move -- but, a little practice might be in order. Why in the world did they play him at 2B in Iowa if he was going to play LF in Wrigley?

#71 Re: For those voting Lou...

Touché

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#72 Re: For those voting Lou...

Isn't he a good athlete?

:-)

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#58 Re: For those voting Lou...

Getting the most out of his talent is Lou's job. He's done that well. Also, I think he's changed Hendry's mind about what wins baseball games.

#100 Re: For those voting Lou...

"For those voting Lou, I am curious as to what role he played in acquiring Marmol, Soto, Theriot, Lee, Ramirez, Howry, Wood, Wuertz, Gallagher, Marshall, Dempster, etc? and I'm curious exactly how much people think he had to do with getting Soriano, Fukudome, DeRosa, Lilly, Marquis, Edmonds, etc?" -Rob G.

Not really fair to question people on this level of acquiring talent because the original question you asked was "Who is more responsible for the Cubs SUCCESS this year?". Hendry has more to do with the composition of the team but Lou has more to do with the motivation of the team. Apples and oranges, buddy.

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#106 Re: For those voting Lou...

Huh? If Hendry didn't get the players or Lou, the team wouldn't be successful.

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#108 Re: For those voting Lou...

The point is it's not fair to judge Lou's usefulness on whether he had any relation to acquiring certain players. It's NOT HIS JOB to acquire players. It's Hendry's. Lou's job is to motivate those guys and make sure they give their very best day in day out.

We are comparing apples and oranges.

To get the Cubs to where they are today, Hendry had to have done his job well and Lou had to have done his job well. WIN, WIN, and WIN.

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#110 Re: For those voting Lou...

Sure... but Rob is asking the question about who is more responsible for the Cubs success.

Hendry and his player acquisitions? Or LouPa and his motivation and management?

Both impact the team directly, so you can ask which has had more impact.

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#47 Re: Who is more responsible for the Cubs success this year?

Agreed - Hendry deserves all of the credit for the players on the roster at present, but Lou has a good handle on one of the only things that can motivate some players...and that's playing time.

#55 Re: Who is more responsible for the Cubs success this year?

I was disappointed "Matt Murton" wasn't an option. Anyways, I chose Lou.

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#61 Re: Who is more responsible for the Cubs success this year?

Clearly Mike Fontenot is the superior player

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#64 Re: Who is more responsible for the Cubs success this year?

Lou uses the last five roster spots to motivate everyone in the organization, in Chicago and Iowa and Tennessee, certainly, but also Daytona and even Peoria.

Last weekend, the Iowa Cubs needed a relief pitcher for back-to-back doubleheaders so they called up a guy from Peoria--Blake Parker, a recently converted catcher who has been lights-out.

The weekend ended and Parker went to Daytona, but still, what amazing mobility within the organization! Also last weekend, Dumas Garcia became Iowa's closer and now he's a phone call away.

This is good stuff, and I contend it's all because Lou is masterful with those last few roster spots. Lou hates dead weight on the roster. Hendry used to go shopping for dead weight every October, but not any more. Remember when he signed Neifi and said, First you have to have guys who can catch the ball?

The one thing I appreciate about Hendry is his bluntness and candor. He tells you what's going on. Lou is more of a poker player.

I also like Crane Kenney, who is a big improvement over McDonough, who I'm glad is spending the Wirtzes' money now.

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#66 Re: Who is more responsible for the Cubs success this year?

VA Phil touches a key point -- there was a perception (and possible reality) that the Trib never coughed up the money to compete.

Cubs now have an appropriate payroll for their market, and although they don't go for some of the idiotic contracts the Yankees have offered over the years, they have put a lot of $$$ on the table for Soriano, Fukudome, Lee, Ramirez, Lilly, and Zambrano. In general, they have invested their payroll $$$ well.

However, it would been nice if they had spent a little money on new concrete and upgraded bathrooms....

#68 McDonough vs Kenney?

Love to hear the differences between the two, other than McDonough liked to get his mug on TV more.

And the purse strings opened last year when McDonough became president, although everything went through Kenney as is. The person who didn't want to spend money was Andy MacPhail. 

#114 Re: McDonough vs Kenney?

The difference, as I see it, is that Kenney can say no to Hendry, which a boss is supposed to do. I think McDonough spent too much money. You'll think so too, when Soriano is 36.

When I read that the Cubs were not the highest bidder for Fukudome, I knew the McDonough era was over.

It's just starting for the Hawks.

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#115 Re: McDonough vs Kenney?

everyone knows the Cubs will be cursing the Soriano deal near its end, but Kenney still had the last say when McDonough was president and he had the last say when MacPhail was president.

I'm just not sure why you think there's any difference. The Cubs spent their money two offseasons ago because they needed to turn around a last place team and the free agent class was better. They spent less this offseason because they needed less and there was less out there.

Your attribution that this has anything to do with Kenney vs McDonough is quite misguided. 

 

#73 Re: Who is more responsible for the Cubs success this year?

Huh? LouPa controls minor league roster moves now?

Hell... I am not even sure that LouPa controls the major league roster, yet somehow he was the reason that Parker and Garcia got moves around the past week?

Interesting.

Maybe LouPa is also the real reason that pitchers throw harder, and not Koyie Hill.

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#101 Re: Who is more responsible for the Cubs success this year?

I think he was making a joke.

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#113 Re: Who is more responsible for the Cubs success this year?

"LouPa controls minor league roster moves now?"

News flash: the parent team controls minor league roster moves, because only the parent team's won-lost record matters.

Lou said recently that he likes power pitchers in the bullpen. The place to audition for that role is closer at Iowa. Pignatiello and Brower aren't power pitchers, so they brought in Dumas Garcia. Nor do I think it's a coincidence that Blake Parker, another power pitcher, was put in the spotlight.

And pitchers throw harder when they throw more fastballs. Ask C. Marmol.

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#116 Re: Who is more responsible for the Cubs success this year?

the parent team controls minor league roster moves, because only the parent team's won-lost record matters.

Newsflash: Hendry and the rest of Cubs management controls all roster moves, not LouPa.

Lou said recently that he likes power pitchers in the bullpen

Right... and the Cubs system had no power bullpen arms before LouPa got here.

And pitchers throw harder when they throw more fastballs. Ask C. Marmol.

But I thought Koyie Hill made pitchers throw harder! That is what you told us.

And FWIW, pitchers throw harder when they need to throw less pitches. Ask C. Marmol.

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#69 Re: Who is more responsible for the Cubs success this year?

Could it be... Satan?

#70 Re: Who is more responsible for the Cubs success this year?

wow, a Dana Carvey/Church Lady/SNL reference...bringing it old school.

#102 Re: Who is more responsible for the Cubs success this year?

How conveeenient.

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#74 Re: Who is more responsible for the Cubs success this year?

What the hell, I'll plea my case for Lou. Personally, I think it ultimately comes down to the players. You can build a team out of all star sluggers, if they aren't going to execute, it won't do you much good. So I picked Lou simply because he's closer to the field on a day-to-day basis. If Lou doesn't show up to the games then people notice. If Hendry doesn't show up, who cares.

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#75 Re: Who is more responsible for the Cubs success this year?

If Lou doesn't show up to the games then people notice. If Hendry doesn't show up, who cares.

okay, but what the hell does that have to do with anything? The managers are certainly more of a figure-head and out in the public, but who's more important to the team.

You probably think George Bush is running this country too.

/breaks own rule of starting a political discussion.

//shows himself out. 

#79 Re: Who is more responsible for the Cubs success this year?

You probably think George Bush is running this country too.

...typo on "ruining"

~grin~

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#103 Re: Who is more responsible for the Cubs success this year?

Bush was a decent president. Like Dusty, he just overstayed his usefulness.

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#112 Re: Who is more responsible for the Cubs success this year?

...typo on "descent"

#76 Re: Who is more responsible for the Cubs success this year?

"Fukudome likely dropping to the 2 spot with Edmonds batting 5th vs righties. Reed Johnson will be back Thursday, meaning Murton or Epat gets sent down."

Please Epat. Please, please, please...

At LEAST he can get on base from time to time and has a little experience in the OF.

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#81 Re: Murton or Epat gets sent down

It's a bit counterintuitive, but this would be the right time to keep Murton up if the Cubs are serious about unloading him.

#84 Re: Murton or Epat gets sent down

Not so sure. If they are not going to let him play, they may as well send him down so that he can play everyday and show other teams he still knows how to hit.

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#77 Re: Who is more responsible for the Cubs success this year?

I mean at least Murton can bet on base from time to time and has experience in the OF (although, less than average)

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#78 Re: Who is more responsible for the Cubs success this year?

I would have voted for both if it were a choice. It wasn't, so I voted for Hendry.

#80 Re: Who is more responsible for the Cubs success this year?

ROB G: It might be interesting to put together a short list of the pitchers that Hendry could go after, ala the 2007 Winter Meetings -

Pluses and minuses on Meche, Sebathia, Wolf, Burnett, Fuentes, Bedard, et. al.

I mean, when you have time...

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#82 Re: Who is more responsible for the Cubs success this year?

I'm not your MONKEY!!!

kidding, had something planned for the future. Meche won't be on the list though. 

#83 Re: Who is more responsible for the Cubs success this year?

Gilgameche!! I like him. He doesn't want to leave, it seems. Playing in a small market is more important to him than winning, apparently.

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#85 Re: Who is more responsible for the Cubs success this year?

I think I read at MLBTR that Gilgameche has a no-trade to 14 teams. I believe the Cubs and many other Midwest teams are on it.

#86 Re: Who is more responsible for the Cubs success this year?

yes to both of you...hence why he won't be on that list.

#89 Re: Who is more responsible for the Cubs success this year?

That sounded flippant, but, well, he's got a good job and his happy where he is. Who am I to challenge his priorities? Actually, it's a bit refreshing for a player to sign with a team and actually have some sort of commitment to it. Good for you, Gilgameche, your skills are epic.

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#92 Re: Who is more responsible for the Cubs success this year?

LOL!

sorry, man...

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#87 Re: Who is more responsible for the Cubs success this year?

I voted for Hendry, but this is a tough choice.

I really like Lou and what he has done. I subscribe somewhat to the theory that early last year he was "getting to know" the team, and that since that early adjustment period he has really learned how to glean close to the best out of them. He's not afraid to fire every bullet in his gun so-to-speak if he feels he has a chance to win (see e.g. the first game of the Baltimore series). Sometimes his match-up changes drive me a little batty, but he's good at putting his players in a position to succeed.

My only real criticism of him this year is that I worry he's ruined Pie's career. I understand his sentiment that they're trying to win this year, and don't have time to see if he develops as a hitter; but the fact is they were scoring plenty of runs even with him in the lineup. His defense was certainly good enough, I felt, that the team could afford to carry him a while longer as his hitting seemed to be coming around. Deciding to "shorten" his swing has certainly damaged his value in the short run; though, it remains, of course, to be seen how he'll end up.

As for Hendry, the reason I voted for him is that he has done an excellent job in filling out the roster this year not only at the top, but on the bench, and even somewhat at the top of the minors. He made good contingency plans. So far this has allowed to the team to continue to put out a solid team even when not all their starters are playing. They've played admirably while going through several changes at SP, sending their CF packing back to the minors, and enduring injury woes with Soriano.

In many ways, the team he has put together reminds me of the 2004 C%*@!&%s who had four 15 game winners, none of whom were spectacular. Their great offense and shut-down bullpen kept them in every game, which is the same as I feel about this team. I think come the playoffs this team will need another top tier starting pitcher to compete; but during the regular season, having a glut of mediocre pitching is all a team with this kind of offense needs to win a lot of games. To say the least, it'll be interesting to see what moves he makes here in July.

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