Historical Ex-Cub Factor

Historical Ex-Cub Factor Data

 

Thanks to the hard work of Carl Condon, I now have a list of ex-Cubs
for all post-season series going back to 1903. This data is still
preliminary, since neither of us has been able to verify exactly who
was on the official post-season rosters for every season. The data from
the most recent years is verified, but before about 1993, we are going
solely on who appeared in the World Series rather than who was on the
roster.

2001 saw only the second instance of a team
overcoming The Factor as the Diamondbacks, 4 ex-Cubs deep, won the
Series in dramatic fashion. Here's the count for the rest of the '01
playoff teams:

Arizona Diamondbacks (4): Miguel Batista, Luis Gonzalez, Mark Grace, Mike Morgan
Atlanta Braves (3): Dave Martinez, Greg Maddux, Rey Sanchez
Houston Astros (3): Orlando Merced, Scott Servais, Jose Vizcaino
Oakland Athletics (1): Mark Guthrie
St. Louis Cardinals (1): Miguel Cairo
Seattle Mariners (1): Jaime Moyer
Cleveland Indians (0)
New York Yankees (0)

RESULT: DIAMONDBACKS (4) DEF. YANKEES (0) -- THE FACTOR IS DEFEATED


In 2000, almost everyone hit the post-season safely below the threshhold:

New York Mets (3): Matt Franco, Todd Pratt, Turk Wendell
New York Yankees (2): Glenallen Hill, Jose Vizcaino
Atlanta Braves (2): Terry Mulholland, Greg Maddux
St. Louis Cardinals (1): Shawon Dunston
Oakland Athletics (1): Doug Jones
Seattle Mariners (1): Jamie Moyer
San Francisco Giants (0)
Chicago White Sox (0)

RESULT: YANKEES (2) DEF. METS (3) -- THE FACTOR HOLDS



1999 marked the second time the Braves were tripped up by The Factor:

Atlanta Braves (3): Jose Hernandez, Terry Mulholland, Greg Maddux
New York Mets (3):Shawon Dunston, Todd Pratt, Turk Wendell
Texas Rangers (3): Mike Morgan, Rafael Palmeiro, Todd Zeile
Arizona Diamondbacks (2): Dan Plesac, Luis Gonzalez
Boston Red Sox (1): Rod Beck
Cleveland Indians (1): Paul Assenmacher
Houston Astros (1): Matt Mieske
New York Yankees (1): Joe Girardi

RESULT: YANKEES (1) DEF. BRAVES (3) -- THE FACTOR HOLDS


1998's playoff teams were pretty much ex-Cub-free:

Cleveland Indians (2): Paul Assenmacher, Doug Jones
Boston Red Sox (1): Dennis Eckersley
Atlanta Braves (1): Greg Maddux
Houston Astros (1): Dave Clark
New Yok Yankees (1): Joe Girardi
San Diego Padres (1): Randy Myers
Texas Rangers (1): Todd Zeile

Ironically, the only team with a critical mass of ex-Cubs on their playoff roster in '98 was the Cubs themselves:

Chicago Cubs (3): Glenallen Hill, Mike Morgan, Terry Mulholland

As you may remember, they didn't make it to the World Series.

RESULT: YANKEES (1) DEF. PADRES (1) -- NO FACTOR


The 1997 playoff teams ended up with the following ex-Cubs on their roster:

San Francisco Giants (4): Jose Vizcaino, Glenallen Hill, Damon Berryhill, Terry Mulholland
Baltimore Orioles (3): Jerome Walton, Rafael Palmeiro, Randy Myers
Seattle Mariners (3): Jamie Moyer, Heathcliff Slocumb, Rick Wilkins
New York Yankees (2): Joe Girardi, Rey Sanchez
Atlanta Braves (1): Greg Maddux
Cleveland Indians (1): Paul Assenmacher
Houston Astros (1): Luis Gonzalez
Florida Marlins (1): Alex Arias

Three of the six divisions were won by teams with critical
masses of ex-Cubs. Before the playoffs, I wrote that chances were the
Orioles and Mariners will drop Jerome Walton and Rick Wilkins,
respectively, to drop below the 3-man threshold, which they did. The
Giants, however, found themselves with way too many ex-Cubs. Even if
they had made it to the World Series, there was no way they could have
won.

It looked like the Altanta Braves learned their lesson from the
previous season (see below); with Dwight Smith gone and Mike Bielecki
on the shelf with shoulder surgery, they were well below the ex-Cub
threshold. None of the other playoff teams had anything to worry about.

RESULT: MARLINS (1) DEF. INDIANS (1) -- NO FACTOR


Remember 1996? Here are that year's playoff teams, with their ex-Cub contingent:

Baltimore Orioles (4): Randy Myers, Rafael Palmeiro, Mark Parent, Todd Zeile
Atlanta Braves (3): Mike Bielecki, Greg Maddux, Dwight Smith
St. Louis Cardinals (2): Dennis Eckersley, Danny Jackson
Cleveland Indians (2): Paul Assenmacher, Jose Vizcaino
New York Yankees (1): Joe Girardi
San Diego Padres (0)
Los Angeles Dodgers (0)
Texas Rangers (0)

Before the playoffs, I wrote the following: "So perhaps we have
found the weak link in the Braves' armor -- 3 ex-Cubs is too many, even
if one of them is
Greg Maddux. Similarly, the Orioles' late-season acquisitions of Mark
Parent and Todd Zeile may have in fact been a deadly mistake. The
Cardinals, on the other hand, were wise to leave Mike Morgan off the
post-season roster."

Well, whaddyaknow? The curse of the ex-Cubs strikes again. The
Braves blow a 2-0 lead in the World Series and end up losing to the
Yankees.

RESULT: YANKEES (1) DEF. BRAVES (4) -- THE FACTOR HOLDS


1995

Atlanta Braves (2): Greg Maddux, Dwight Smith
Cincinnati Reds (2) Chuck McElroy, Jerome Walton
Colorado Rockies (1): Joe Girardi
Cleveland Indians (1): Paul Assenmacher
Seattle Mariners (1): Doug Strange
Boston Red Sox (0)
Los Angeles Dodgers (0)
New York Yankees (0)

RESULT: BRAVES (2) DEF. INDIANS (1) -- NO FACTOR


1994: No playoffs


1993

Atlanta Braves (3): Damon Berryhill, Jay Howell, Greg Maddux
Philadelphia Phillies (2): Danny Jackson, Mitch Williams
Chicago White Sox (1): George Bell
Toronto Blue Jays (1): Joe Carter

RESULT: BLUE JAYS (1) DEF. PHILLIES (2) -- NO FACTOR


1992

Pittsburgh Pirates (3): Danny Jackson, Lloyd McClendon, Gary Varsho
Toronto Blue Jays (2): Joe Carter, Pat Tabler
Atlanta Braves (1): Damon Berryhill
Oakland Athletics (1): Dennis Eckersley

RESULT: BLUE JAYS (2) DEF. BRAVES (1) -- NO FACTOR


1991: The first World Series since 1963 to feature no ex-Cubs

Pittsburgh Pirates (4): Bill Landrum, Lloyd McClendon, Gary Varsho, Curtis Wilkerson
Toronto Blue Jays (2): Joe Carter, Pat Tabler
Atlanta Braves (0)
Minnesota Twins (0)

RESULT: TWINS (0) DEF. BRAVES (0) -- NO FACTOR


1990

Oakland Athletics (3): Dennis Eckersley, Ron Hassey, Scott Sanderson
Pittsburgh Pirates (2): Bill Landrum, Carmelo Martinez
Boston Red Sox (1): Dennis Lamp
Cincinnati Reds (1): Billy Hatcher

RESULT: REDS (1) DEF. ATHLETICS (3) -- THE FACTOR HOLDS

 

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  • bless your heart. *pinches cheeks*

    crunch 1 min 48 sec ago view
  • real shame I missed this week's episode of The Crunch Reporter.

    It's highly unusual.

    It does matter a little.

    It matters much less than you think.

     

     

    Rob G. 4 min 6 sec ago view
  • four winds field is awesome. it's crazy how minor league parks have "grown up" since the 80s/90s and that park was one of the late-80s models that showed a low-capacity ballpark could look like you're at something other than a highschool baseball game.

    crunch 1 hour 9 min ago view
  • On another topic....I returned to South Bend last night for the 2nd time this season (still haven't tried either the deep-fried mac & cheese sandwich nor "The Porknado", as the drive home is over an hour and that could get ugly), and was pleasantly surprised to find D. Underwood pitching in a rehab start. He looked good -- although, to be fair, these are low-A hitters -- fastball consistently at 94-95 (if the SB scoreboard is to be believed -- several pitches were clocked in the 30s...) and with good location.

    billybucks 2 hours 18 min ago view
  • he gains nothing, no advantage, no saving of resources, nothing...there is not a cost/benefit tradeoff...him letting the running game go on around him for others to control isn't gaining him an advantage elsewhere. it's putting him at a disadvantage even if it's not cashed in with a run.

    crunch 4 hours 58 min ago view
  • And out of respect for the rest of TCR, I'm done on this. I'm sure I'm not the only one in the other camp, but time to let it go. (Until the next Lester start. I kid.)

    #baseballtalk

    Tito 5 hours 1 min ago view
  • He is putting himself at a disadvanage. But how much of one relative to the rest of his game? He's not Justin Germano -- he's inarguably one of the best SPs in baseball, issue or not. It would be more of thing to discuss ad nauseum if it constantly caused him to give up runs and lose games. But it doesn't.

    #baseballtalk

    Tito 5 hours 11 min ago view
  • shouting down my points about lester with "well, it didn't hurt" is like saying it doesn't matter if a guy starts out walking 3 guys every inning as long it's followed by a K and a double play.

    it's like elevating ERA and wins to a high level while ignoring what it took to get there.

    crunch 5 hours 16 min ago view
  • I'm asking how much it has hurt Lester and the Cubs this year. Do you have that answer?

    I legitimately don't recall you answering that quesion, apart from the condescending silliness you just posted. So if you did answer specifically about the impact of Lester's issue, I'd like to re-read it. Thanks.

    #baseballtalk

    Tito 5 hours 30 min ago view
  • if runner = on base and pitcher = j.lester then lead = large

    if lead = large then probability of extra base on following hit > average of mean

    okay, enough of that silliness...

    ...you can read more on the thread i copy/pasted this from the last time you decided you needed to talk to me about me.

    crunch 5 hours 36 min ago view
  • Thank you for your answer.

    #baseballtalk

    Tito 5 hours 40 min ago view
  • bless your heart.

    crunch 5 hours 41 min ago view
  • I don't recall you answering my question about quantifying how it has hurt Lester and the Cubs this season, apart from one guy scoring on a sac fly. Can you direct me to your answer? Thanks.

    #baseballtalk

    Tito 5 hours 46 min ago view
  • Lester's personal catcher has an .809 OPS.

    #baseballtalk

    Tito 5 hours 49 min ago view
  • we already has this asinine discussion. you didn't like the answer. there's already an answer above you can apply about how a guy goes from 1st base to home on a sac fly that included him stealing 3rd while lester watched from the mound. the fact that the cubs bats, 100% independent of that situation, scored some runs invalidates it as an issue to you. i find that stupid. we will not get anywhere with this. you know we will not get anywhere with this...because we already had this asinine discussion.

    #circularlogic

    crunch 5 hours 50 min ago view
  • it's not about SB...it never was.

    jake arrieta being slow to the plate isn't comparable to jon lester not throwing to any base. how the runners read off arrieta isn't anything similar to what a runner is reading off lester.

    maybe arrieta could use a personal catcher solely to control his running game...but i doubt it's that important.

    crunch 5 hours 54 min ago view