NL Central Smackdown : Right Fielders

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I'll save the left fielders for Monday since it's a pretty and talented group. Your right--field warriors after the break...

Player 3-Year Warp-3 Average
3 Year Warp-3 Projection
Rob's Ranking
Kosuke Fukudome N/A 3.37 2
Corey Hart 4.5 (2 years) 5.6 1
Skip Schumaker 1.5 (1 year) 1.43 6
Ryan Ludwick 2.7 (1 year) 1.97 6
Hunter Pence 6.4 (1 year) 5.43 4
Ken Griffey Jr. 4.47 1.77 3
Xavier Nady 2.63 1.93 5


 

 

 

 

 

 


The Justification: I think I sold Hunter Pence short on this one before I looked at the numbers. I just thought he was more useful as a center fielder and a little hacktastic for my tastes. Griffey Jr. probably deserves the top spot as a lifetime achievement award and if you think he can stay healthy, he probably still deserves it. Honestly, any of the top four are probably worth the top spot and when Rick Ankiel gets shifted back here, he'll make it even a little more interesting. But I took Hart for now, a rather successful 2007 campaign and youth on his side. I just didn't know what to expect out of Fukudome, and while the early returns are fantastic, he won't be able to keep his offensive numbers up averaging a homer a month. Nady's had a nice start to the season, but we all know he'll fade and the Cards platoon is just a placeholder until Colby Rasmus is ready and Ankiel gets shifted back.

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Comments

This is very tough; really a close grouping and alot of moving parts.

I ranked as the following:

Fukudome (homer vote, but he is a 4-tool player)
Hart (slow start though)
Nady
Pence (would be higher, except for slow start; based on last year, he could be #1)
Griffey (Fading fast)
Cards (They are hitting great, but I hate platoons)

Tough one for me. I went Fukudome, partly out of homerism, then Pence, Hart, Nady, Cards, and Griffey.

I take Hart over the lot at this point, then Fuku, Pence, Griffey, Nady, Cards. Hart is young and is already a pretty complete hitter, plus I think he handles CF at least as well as Pence and Fuku. Pence has the best chance of being a real superstar, but he also seems most likely to flop due to his hacktastic approach. Fuku gets second based on defense and plate discipline. Griffey would be tops if he weren't such an injury risk and if he weren't so old and more expensive than the rest.

Nady doesn't seem all that valuable any more, but maybe that's just me.

is his lack of power concerning to anyone else? The bill of goods we got when he was signed was that he'd be good for at least 15 and probably 20 homers a year. He's got good gap power but the weight shift in his swing, in my mind, keeps him from putting more power in his swing. Anyway, I hope he starts hitting for a bit more power soon, as we need it out of our #5 hitter.

I'd be more concerned if he wasn't on pace to hit 50+ doubles. I'll take 50 doubles and a .400+ OBP out of my 5th hitter any day, especially when he has DeRosa and Soto hitting behind him.

Yep. Not concerned. There are other ways to win besides Chadball.

Hey! 50 doubles is Chadball through and through!

50 doubles isn't Chadball!

No steroids, no homeruns, no watching the ball exit the park followed by cocky strutting around the bases. No boombox in the locker room annoying everyone else.

I think Fuku is a few hat size short of Chadball.

Sorry pal, but I'm the authority on Chadball. And 50 doubles is Chadball material. Chad likey the slugging percentage. last year when DLee wasn't hitting the ball over the fence but bouncing them off of it, I was totally ok with that. Walks and singles as your offensive set is not Chadball but Mark Grace was.

personally, i didnt expect more than 15-20 homers at best.

however, i do/did expect him to get 40-50 doubles.

i expected him to K 100-120 times and though i knew he'd walk im personally impressed by how many so early.

to make a sloppy comparison...i pretty much expect mark grace in his prime at the plate (with more Ks and a touch more speed).

Vorare: Exactly! Soto hitting behind Fuku is brilliant, and I hope it continues.

Fuku is still adjusting to a lot of pitching he has never seen, and his contact style is unique. He pulls off the ball much more with two strikes on him. He gets into the two-strike situation because he is taking pitches in an attempt to see more (whether that is patience or just feeling out the pitcher, I don't know). The great thing is that he isn't afraid to hit with two strikes, and he's a damn good hitter in that situation. He is Ichiro with more power, and a slightly lower average due to his slower top speed. I see Ichiro leg out a lot of those infield singles which drives his average from the .320-.330 range to the rarefied air he has been privy to the last few seasons.

Identical to Rob's. A year or two ago Jr might have been top of the list, but not now.

I'm reading over other people's votes and I feel I should say it really pained me to vote Corey Hart first. He's a douche.

Me too, though I have nothing against Hart personally, I just can't stand the fact he plays for the Brewers. Is there some more specific reason you call him a "douche"?

wonder what theyre working on with him...

another day and no play.

a trade?

whoops.

He's in there tonite, batting third.

2 for 2 as the DH.

weird...they had Kroeger DH as the DH, now its murton on milb.com

sweet.

Gagne blows a two-run lead in the ninth in Houston to send it into extras. Go 'Stros.

this time a 6-4 lead in HOU. I guess the Brewers closer will be David Riske pretty soon.

A. Soriano lf
R. Theriot ss
D. Lee 1b
K. Fukudome rf
M. DeRosa 3b
G. Soto c
M. Fontenot 2b
R. Johnson cf
J. Marquis p

because with this line-up it makes alot of sense, with Reed's good OBP and Marquis being a solid hitter.

the lineup's full of ob% guys...why let the pitcher move up a slot to replace a far better hitter?

and though i can understand not using cedeno today the guy should get some starting time one day...maybe.

...AND END THIS SORIANO BATTING 1ST CRAP. and stuff...

we got a RBI guy missing (aram) and we got a powerhitter looking to cash in the 7/8/9 hitters.

I think he has more hits today aganist Santana and the NLDS last year then he did his entire Cubs career.

AUSTIN, Texas (AP) -- Chicago Bears running back Cedric Benson failed a sobriety test while operating a 30-foot boat, then resisted arrest before being hit with pepper spray and dragged ashore by officers.

woo.

Well I thought the Bears had a foolproof protocol for this kind of situation...

Why didn't he just dive into the water, dial 911 and tell the police that his boat was stolen?

Jeez.

with Prince trying to get a foul pop-up.

to complete the sweep of the Brew Crew.

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  • I am right there with you closing in on 60.

    I don't care that much about "mortgaging" one player who is not only blocked by two guys, but is not ready to hit the majors for at least a couple years.

    There is no reason why this team, this year, can't have a real shot at something NONE of us have experienced.

    Further, I don't feel that even if they fall short that they have ruined their farm system.

    I have made my opinion clear here, with others, Warren was shit on the Cubs save one spot start.

    The E-Man 19 min 26 sec ago view
  • Trading for Warren, Warren sucking, getting Warren back for Chapman plus 3 prospects, sounds like Revenge of The Yankees on the former Boston executive. Old rivalries never die.

    I pray to the heavens above Chapman doesn't suck for some reason, or he'll be booed out of town faster than a Todd Hundley revival meeting.

    Old and Blue 27 min 5 sec ago view
  • I'm kind of nostalgic for the Schwarber-for-Miller rumors.

    Brick 38 min 49 sec ago view
  • This offseason, after some ridiculous playoff run and Chapman saving every game from here until the end of the postseason striking out 27/9innings, I welcome anyone to quote this thread and call me a dummy: I hate this trade, and my hate is 2 parts Chapman makes this team less likeable and 1 part that's a ridiculous overpay for 30 regular season innings and, at tops, 10 postseason innings. Already hoping they don't extend him.

    Charlie 40 min 38 sec ago view
  • btw...Thanks AZ Phil. I'm really enjoying your take on this trade.

    Cubster 1 hour 2 min ago view
  • I'm a bit disappointed on the Warren experience. Essentially they gave Castro away for crickets (OK, well they signed Zobrist with the Castro salary dump). Otherwise one might look at it as Chapman for Castro and our #1 minors prospect (Torres) + McKinney/Crawford. Seems pricey for a 2 month rental. We will see if this price tag is that steep in a relative way based on the remaining deadline deals for relievers.

    Cubster 1 hour 3 min ago view
  • Yep. One of the great things about this team (in addition to being really good at baseball) was the "likable" factor. Feels a bit different now. Who knows...maybe Chapman will be the king of the dance parties.

    billybucks 1 hour 12 min ago view
  • Here are some possible corresponding minor league moves we might see in the aftermath  of the Chapman trade: 

    SOUTH BEND to MYRTLE BEACH: OF Donnie Dewees and INF Bryant Flete  

    EUGENE to SOUTH BEND: OF Robert Garcia and INF Vimael Machin 

    There is really no reason to replace Billy McKinney at Tennessee because both Chris Coghlan and Jorge Soler are doing their rehab at Tennessee.  

    And there are plenty of pitchers at Iowa. No need to replace Warren at AAA. .  

    Arizona Phil 1 hour 32 min ago view
  • I am 70 years old. The Cubs last played in the World Series in 1945. I was born in 1946. I hate to lose a prospect like Torres, but when the opportunity is there to get that World Series ring, you go for it. This was the idea in stock piling all this young talent. I would like to see Reddick added now and the Cubbies should be done.

    Hagsag 2 hours 2 min ago view
  • I would expect Richard to accept an optional assignment because based on how he's played this season, there is a decent chance that he won't find work elsewhere. Rather stay and potentially get a ring. Same goes for Coghlan since he's struggled mightily this year.

    Edwards should not go down. He's pitched very well and Maddon is very impressed with him. I would expect Grimm to go down for Cahill so he can get back on track (he's pitched better in July, but he's not getting enough appearances).

    chitownmvp01 2 hours 6 min ago view
  • chitownmvp01: Indeed Clayton Richard would seem to be odd man out once Chapman reports, but Richard might accept a minor league assignment if he is promised a return to Chicago on 9/1 when MLB Active List rosters expand (Richard has minor league ioptions left).

    Arizona Phil 2 hours 9 min ago view
  • The only player in the deal that would cause me a second thought is Gleyber Torres.

    McKinney and Crawford are decent prospects but both are redundant/replaceable in the system and Warren was really only a middle-reliever or #6 starter, so to me it's really just Torres for Chapman.

    Arizona Phil 2 hours 29 min ago view
  • There is no Comp pick for players traded mid-season. 2+ months of Chapman is it.

    mbauer 2 hours 32 min ago view
  • to get one of the best you have to give up one/some of your best...but it's a bit painful to watch the system's best prospect walk for any 2-3 month rental, especially one that's not an everyday player.

    crunch 2 hours 34 min ago view
  • I assume Chapman will replace Richard on the roster, but who goes down when Cahill gets activated? Maybe Grimm?

    And when Soler and Coghlan get healthy, how do they fit them on the roster when they're ready to be activated?

    chitownmvp01 2 hours 37 min ago view
  • We are giving up a lot, but it's not like we're trading Addison Russell for 2+ months of Jason Hammel. When impact players become available, they are going to cost you. The other bids could also have been high.

    Having Chapman as a rental is potentially less disruptive than having him come in with an extension in place. 

    CTSteve 2 hours 39 min ago view