Rule 5 Draft Update

The Toronto Blue Jays have designated RHP Randy Wells for assignment.

Wells was selected by the Jays from the Cubs AAA Iowa roster in the Major League phase of the MLB Rule 5 Draft last December, and although he pitched well enough in Spring Training to earn a slot on Toronto's Opening Day 25-man roster, he finally got caught in a numbers game

The Jays now have ten days to either trade or outright Wells, although they actually have to do something with him within eight days because it takes two days for a player to clear waivers.

If the Blue Jays trade Wells to another club, the new club assumes the Rule 5 obligations (player must remain on the club's 25-man roster for the entire 2008 season).

If the Jays can't find a trading partner, they will place him on Outright Assignment Waivers, and if he goes unclaimed, the Cubs will have the opportunity to reacquire Wells for $25,000 (half the Rule 5 Draft price). If the Cubs choose not to reclaim Wells, the Blue Jays get to keep him, and he is automatically outrighted to the minors.

But the Cubs historically always take back Rule 5 players if they get the chance (Dubois, Szuminski, Hagerty, Mateo, Holdzkom, and Campusano), so if they are given the opportunity to reacquire Wells, they almost certainly will.  

Also, RHP Tim Lahey was Designated for Assignment by the Phillies last Saturday, and the Phils will need to trade Lahey by this weekend or else place him on Outright Assignment Waivers.

Lahey was the #1 pick in the 2007 Rule 5 Draft, as the Tampa Bay Rays selected the big right-hander from the Minnesota Twins AAA Rochester club. Then immediately after the draft, the Rays sold the rights to Lahey to the Cubs for $100,000 (twice the Rule 5 Draft price).

The rubber-armed Lahey showed some flashes of upside in Spring Training, but he is still a bit raw (a converted catcher, he's only been pitching for two years), and the Cubs didn't have a spot for him on the 25-man roster. So he was placed on Outright Assignment Waivers two weeks ago, just before the start of the regular season.

Lahey was claimed off waivers by Philadelphia (with the Phillies assuming the Rule 5 obligations), but got into no games with the Phillies before being Designated for Assignment last Saturday to make room on the 25-man roster for Brad Lidge, who was reactivated from the DL at that time.

Just as with Wells and the Jays, the Phillies have 10 days to either trade or outright Lahey, but if they don't trade him, they have to place him on Outright Asignment Waivers within eight days, because it takes two days for a player to clear waivers. If Lahey does clear waivers this time, then he must be offered back to the Twins.

And if Lahey was in fact the tentative PTBNL in the Craig Monroe deal, then the Twins will certainly opt to reclaim Lahey, and if that happens, then he can be traded to the Cubs.

One thing to remember about MLB Rule 6 (the rule that governs the disposition of Rule 5 players who are not retained on a 25-man roster) is that if the player clears waivers and his original club takes him back, he is automatically outrighted back to the AAA club from which he was drafted. He is NOT placed on the club's 40-man roster.  

So if the Cubs do reclaim Wells from TOR and/or reacquire Lahey from MIN, both would initially be assigned outright to AAA Iowa, and would not have to be added to the Cubs 40-man roster. However, both Wells and Lahey (if they were to be reacquired by the Cubs) would be candidates for recall later this season, and both would likely be added to the Cubs 40-man roster by the end of the season.  

It would be nice to have arms like Wells and Lahey at Iowa to provide the Cubs some additional middle-relief depth for later in the season.

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I'm more interested in Wells. Hopefully, we'll get him back.

Lahey and Wells should be welcome additions/re-acs to the organ-I-zation at this point.

Wood
Howry
Eyre
Lieber
Dempster

Are all free agents after this season. As the Sox's signings of the immortals Dotel/Linebrink show us. The cost of Relief pitching on the Free Agent market is beyond prohibitive at this point. I do imagine that Dempster and Howry will be Type A free agents at season's end. Wood will probably be a type B free agent. If enough of the Piggy,Ceda,Roquette,Mateo,Lahey,Wells,Petrick could make the jump next year. Then the cubs could theoretically get a HUGE boost of high level talent into the farm system next summer.

Of that list, I only see Howry as leaving against our wishes, to a team that may promise him a closer job. I think Wood will resign, I would not miss Eyre and Lieber much. And lord knows what the valuation for Dempster will be.

But you're right on the point--middle relievers are better made, not bought.

It would be good to have both. Both of them have potential. As a converted cacther, Lahey, it seems, is a victim of this rule. Too raw to be on a major league roster but too much minor league experience to be parked in AA or AAA. I hope his travels end soon, it cannot be good for his development to be shuttled around like this. Of the two, however, I think it's possibly Lahey could get claimed off waivers by yet another team.

Here is an interesting take on the Roberts non-trade:

"For all the names we heard bounced around, it doesn't appear there was ever a time when each club had its "best" offer, or even a viable offer, on the table and the other side said no."

http://proxy.espn.go.com/mlb/columns/story?columni...

looking at the utter nonsense speculative CRAP that came outta both the santana and bedard trade rumors i'm not really surprised.

the santana ones got so absurd and out-there that once he finally was traded people were screaming about how the twins got ripped off...then the whole "oh yeah, someone's gotta turn around and pay this guy 1/10th billion dollars to retain him after getting him" sunk in...

5th inning, Reds have just tied the game 1-1 on a Paul Bako double. Runners on 2nd and 3rd (Hatteburg) with one out. The pitcher (Harang) at the plate with hot hitting (4 HR) Corey Patterson due up next.

Dusty Baker calls for a squeeze bunt/double steal.

What was he thinking?

0-1, Harang misses the 83 mph slider down and away (0-2) and Hatteburg is a dead duck. Bako safe at third. Harang then strikes out to end the inning.

duh

Paul Bako's still in MLB? Wow.

i think that's called a squeeze. it's pretty common.

its harang at bat...a guy who's majority of BP that's taken seriously is bunting.

he's an automatic out...it's a manager's gamble to figure out how to use it.

i'd be willing to bet a lot of money the infield wasn't in or expecting it.

I stipulated that, stop being such a condescending asshat

stay on subject...

"OFF TOPIC: Someone, anyone, EXPLAIN THIS MOVE"

explained.

It's Dusty! Common sense need not apply. He obviously brought the dice with him to Cincinnati.

Sure doesn't. Dusty managed the Reds out of at least two runs today with some strange moves as noted by the broadcast crew.

In the end it didn't matter. The Reds won.

The Bako!

Dusty's greatest managerial success came at the same time, in the same city as Billy Beane was rising to prominence. You know it had to really dig at Dusty personally that some "schmuck" that wasn’t half the ballplayer he was. Was all the sudden stealing his Bay Area limelight. I always suspected that this is why Dusty did/does try so hard to go against the modern baseball grain so vigorously. I imagine Dusty was probably a better manager in the late 90's before he had such an old school baseball way of doing, axe to grind.

i still believe its players that make a team and the overpaid babysitter is just a guy.

i dont think dusty tried hard to go against the grain, its just that the limelight in the media of the "new kinda baseball" goes against what dustbag's always done.

for all the talk of pitchers he ruined...he sent 1 to surgery his tenure in SF, a reliever.

for all the talk of kids he didnt play...you dont hear much about the ones he did play and the ones that didnt that went on to play regularly...well, you dont hear much about them either cuz most never did.

for all the talk about elderly men in suits who dont even pick up a bat or ball...meh...

In San Fran you may have a point. Sabean has never really gotten around to building a farm system. In Chicago though. It seemed like Hendry/McFail were always building teams around "Dusty guys". Fast,versitile,good bunting middling vets. Maybe if Dusty were a little more open to playing kids. We would have a better idea of what kind of future was in store for the Cedeno's, Theriot's,Murton's of the world.

dusty's the guy who actually played murton. he got 1/2 the AB's last year and is in AAA this year.

dusty's the guy who "let theriot in" at the end of his tenure and besides, its theriot...he hits singles, he occasionally walks, he plays average D...he's "good enough"

and cedeno...dusty played him a full season.

i just don't get all the piling on dustbag that don't hold up to history. his career is full of criticism that just don't add up looking at results.

hell, i'm glad he's gone, but he don't deserve most of the hell he gets.

In all fairness. None of those things really happen if Hendry didnt take Hollandsworth,Neifi,walker,Hairston and Tony Womack out of the equation.

hendry put those guys in the equation.

hell, hairston was actually a bright spot on the club compared to the production of the rest aside from some baserunning. if todd "ow" walker could have managed to not miss 2 months a year that would helped.

when you got a choice between neifi, bynum, and cedeno you're never gonna win as a manger. he played "the kid" and still "lost". he could play a vet and still lose the mental game of the fans, too. its flavors of suck...

If Hairston was a bright spot then Walker was a star. Virtually same nubmer of at-bats in 2005 and Walker's OPS+ was 112, compared to Hairston's 82. And what I remember most about Hairston was that he thought he was fast but wasn't. 8 SB with 9 CS is atrocious.

End o'subject?

Cubs fans still talkin' about Dusty, funny shit!!! Hey guys move on, you got the next greatest old school manager at the helm right now...:)

I agree with you, at least on the Dusty part.

Dusty was the Cubs' manage 2 years ago. I am not really sure how he is relevant to the Cubs now, unless the Cubs are actually playing the Reds.

Getting updates of Dusty's boneheadedness is getting old.

God, I'm sick of hearing about Dusty f'ing Baker. I dislike him as much as the next Cubs fan, but I'm going to stab myself in the eye with a spork if I keep reading analysis of every move he makes. Can we at least save that for when we're actually playing his team?

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Rain-out, or rain-shortened, wouldn't be the worst thing after a 15 inning game where you used all of your good relievers.

Would like to have a whack at Matt Morris, though.

Maybe we can all agree that Dusty did the monster managerial suck of all time during the playoffs vs. the Marlins. My wife still remembers me screaming at the TV screen, pleading with Dusty to please go out to the farkin' mound and calm Prior down (not to mention telling Alou to keep his panties from twisting into a knot as well). You know, do something of value in that situation, which is what would usually be expected from a decent manager in a critical moment. But Dusty's ass stayed planted to the bench - unreal. His apologists came out in droves after that game, intimating that hey, you can only go with the players you have, and they're professionals and should be able to figure it out for themselves - but what the heck is a manager's job in the end?

I personally can never forgive batting Neifi 2nd becasue he was a "contact guy" --- a contact guy who had one of the worst OBPs in baseball..

However -- Dusty did manage a team that had Simon/Karros at first base (neither did anything afterwards), was mediocre at 2B, SS and catcher and had a nothing bullpen to within 5 outs of the WS. Best anyone has done in a long time.

Billy,
Come on man, we all know we won in spite of Dusty and Hendry deserves the kudos. Get it straight man!!! :)

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  • I am right there with you closing in on 60.

    I don't care that much about "mortgaging" one player who is not only blocked by two guys, but is not ready to hit the majors for at least a couple years.

    There is no reason why this team, this year, can't have a real shot at something NONE of us have experienced.

    Further, I don't feel that even if they fall short that they have ruined their farm system.

    I have made my opinion clear here, with others, Warren was shit on the Cubs save one spot start.

    The E-Man 11 min 56 sec ago view
  • Trading for Warren, Warren sucking, getting Warren back for Chapman plus 3 prospects, sounds like Revenge of The Yankees on the former Boston executive. Old rivalries never die.

    I pray to the heavens above Chapman doesn't suck for some reason, or he'll be booed out of town faster than a Todd Hundley revival meeting.

    Old and Blue 19 min 35 sec ago view
  • I'm kind of nostalgic for the Schwarber-for-Miller rumors.

    Brick 31 min 19 sec ago view
  • This offseason, after some ridiculous playoff run and Chapman saving every game from here until the end of the postseason striking out 27/9innings, I welcome anyone to quote this thread and call me a dummy: I hate this trade, and my hate is 2 parts Chapman makes this team less likeable and 1 part that's a ridiculous overpay for 30 regular season innings and, at tops, 10 postseason innings. Already hoping they don't extend him.

    Charlie 33 min 8 sec ago view
  • btw...Thanks AZ Phil. I'm really enjoying your take on this trade.

    Cubster 55 min 27 sec ago view
  • I'm a bit disappointed on the Warren experience. Essentially they gave Castro away for crickets (OK, well they signed Zobrist with the Castro salary dump). Otherwise one might look at it as Chapman for Castro and our #1 minors prospect (Torres) + McKinney/Crawford. Seems pricey for a 2 month rental. We will see if this price tag is that steep in a relative way based on the remaining deadline deals for relievers.

    Cubster 55 min 55 sec ago view
  • Yep. One of the great things about this team (in addition to being really good at baseball) was the "likable" factor. Feels a bit different now. Who knows...maybe Chapman will be the king of the dance parties.

    billybucks 1 hour 4 min ago view
  • Here are some possible corresponding minor league moves we might see in the aftermath  of the Chapman trade: 

    SOUTH BEND to MYRTLE BEACH: OF Donnie Dewees and INF Bryant Flete  

    EUGENE to SOUTH BEND: OF Robert Garcia and INF Vimael Machin 

    There is really no reason to replace Billy McKinney at Tennessee because both Chris Coghlan and Jorge Soler are doing their rehab at Tennessee.  

    And there are plenty of pitchers at Iowa. No need to replace Warren at AAA. .  

    Arizona Phil 1 hour 24 min ago view
  • I am 70 years old. The Cubs last played in the World Series in 1945. I was born in 1946. I hate to lose a prospect like Torres, but when the opportunity is there to get that World Series ring, you go for it. This was the idea in stock piling all this young talent. I would like to see Reddick added now and the Cubbies should be done.

    Hagsag 1 hour 55 min ago view
  • I would expect Richard to accept an optional assignment because based on how he's played this season, there is a decent chance that he won't find work elsewhere. Rather stay and potentially get a ring. Same goes for Coghlan since he's struggled mightily this year.

    Edwards should not go down. He's pitched very well and Maddon is very impressed with him. I would expect Grimm to go down for Cahill so he can get back on track (he's pitched better in July, but he's not getting enough appearances).

    chitownmvp01 1 hour 58 min ago view
  • chitownmvp01: Indeed Clayton Richard would seem to be odd man out once Chapman reports, but Richard might accept a minor league assignment if he is promised a return to Chicago on 9/1 when MLB Active List rosters expand (Richard has minor league ioptions left).

    Arizona Phil 2 hours 1 min ago view
  • The only player in the deal that would cause me a second thought is Gleyber Torres.

    McKinney and Crawford are decent prospects but both are redundant/replaceable in the system and Warren was really only a middle-reliever or #6 starter, so to me it's really just Torres for Chapman.

    Arizona Phil 2 hours 22 min ago view
  • There is no Comp pick for players traded mid-season. 2+ months of Chapman is it.

    mbauer 2 hours 24 min ago view
  • to get one of the best you have to give up one/some of your best...but it's a bit painful to watch the system's best prospect walk for any 2-3 month rental, especially one that's not an everyday player.

    crunch 2 hours 27 min ago view
  • I assume Chapman will replace Richard on the roster, but who goes down when Cahill gets activated? Maybe Grimm?

    And when Soler and Coghlan get healthy, how do they fit them on the roster when they're ready to be activated?

    chitownmvp01 2 hours 30 min ago view
  • We are giving up a lot, but it's not like we're trading Addison Russell for 2+ months of Jason Hammel. When impact players become available, they are going to cost you. The other bids could also have been high.

    Having Chapman as a rental is potentially less disruptive than having him come in with an extension in place. 

    CTSteve 2 hours 31 min ago view