Vote for Cubs 2011 MVP and LVP

It's that time of year again, your chance to vote for the Cubs 2011 MVP and LVP.

2011 Cubs MVP

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Previous winners include:

  • 2010 - Carlos Marmol
  • 2009 - Derrek Lee
  • 2008 - Geovany Soto

WAR values come from Baseball Reference, ranking is for team of course, not the league.

 

Player Stats Notes
Castro 307/342/431 111 OPS+, 2.2 WAR 1st in BA, H, 2B, 3B, R + 2nd in SB, 4th in OBP
Garza 10-10, 3.20 ERA, 198 IP, 197 K, 118 ERA+, 2.5 WAR, 1st in ERA, W, K, WHIP + 2nd in IP for starters
Marshall 2.26 ERA, 5 SV, 34 HLDS, 173 ERA+, 2.5 WAR 1st in ERA, WHIP and HLDS
Ramirez 306/361/510 136 OPS+, 3.6 WAR
1st in RBI, SLG + 2nd in BA, H, R, HR, OBP
Ricketts   Fired Hendry, spent a lot on the draft

2011 Cubs LVP

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  • 2010 - Lou Piniella
  • 2009 - Alfonso Soriano

Player Stats Notes
Jim Hendry   left team with little rotation depth, and lots of dead weight on contracts.
Carlos Marmol 2-6, 4.01 ERA, 34 SV, 10 BSV, 98 ERA+, 0.9 WAR blew league leading 10 Saves
Mike Quade   acted very confused, consistently...
Alfonso Soriano 244/289/469 104 OPS+, 1.4 WAR if you care to concentrate on the value portion of LVP, Soriano gave little bang for the buck
Carlos Zambrano 9-7, 4.82 ERA, 145.2 IP, 81 ERA+, 1.4 WAR similar to Soriano, money paid grossly overstated to  performance given. May have kicked a puppy.

I'll leave it open through the end of the week. Comments always appreciated.

Comments

Garza lost 0.4 WAR for his hitting and Z gained 0.7 WAR for his hitting if that helps anything. The numbers above reflect that, but you may want to ignore it depending on your preferences.

Definitely kicked a puppy.

sportswriters like to smoke fat rocks in BOS, too...

"According to Jon Heyman of SI.com, Bobby Valentine is not a candidate for the Red Sox managerial opening."

...evidently the other hot "okay, really?" name popular in their press is joe torre.

Wasn't Earl Weaver available?

Really, people? Zambrano? He would've probably outproduced Soriano in WAR if management hadn't sent him home, and it's Hendry and Rickett's that screwed the pooch by locking themselves into a "he's not coming back" position.

(I also suspect Zambrano could've outproduced Soriano at the plate and in the field given the chance.)

I'm slightly more appalled by Quade over Hendry right now, who the fuck do people think hired Quade? It's not like year 4 of the Q-Ball era or anything.

i say bring Z back as our new starting 1B. think about it...

if I were to rank..

MVP
1. Castro
2. Garza
3. Ramirez
4. Marshall
5. Ricketts

LVP
1. Hendry
2. Z
3. Marmol
4. Soriano
5. Quade

AZ PHIL: What was the deal with Al Albequerque, again?

Did the Cubs trade him to the Rox in some phantom deal, or was he not designated for the 40-man ever?

I recall you discussing his arm on occasion, and had seen him on your various AFL lists, etc.

I am happy for his success this year with the Tigers, and just was curious what it took for his light to get switched on. Or, did we blow it on another prospect?

traded to Rockies for Jeff Baker, 6-yr minor league free agent that was then signed by Tigers.

http://www.thecubreporter.com/just-how-fast-w...

did have shoulder surgery in 2008

http://www.thecubreporter.com/2008/09/27/cubs...

After being traded to the Rockies for Jeff Baker in July 2009, Alberto Alburquerque was added to the Rockies 40-man roster post-2009, was outrighted in May 2010 (nobody claimed him off waivers - anybody could have), and then he became an MLB Rule 55 Six-Year Minor League FA post-2010 (again, available for anybody who wanted him) and he signed a minor league contract with the Tigers with an NRI to Spring Training.

Thanks, gents.

Alburquerque had good numbers at Daytona in 2009. He was on my radar because his high strikeouts and low hits-allowed (44/26 in 34.2 innings) fed into my Marmol index. If I remember correctly, I squawked a little on TCR when he was traded.

you also squawked when Sam Fuld and Tony Thomas were traded.

I don't know why but people are always accusing me of liking Sam Fuld. Fuld was the last thing in my thoughts when he went in the Garza deal. It was only when Fernando Perez washed out and Fukudome slid into the leadoff spot that I thought, and said out loud, that we always had Fuld for this situation and it was odd timing to have traded him now along with Guyer, someone else who could have led off.

Tony Thomas: you got me there. I did grow to like him after 2010--as did the Red Sox. Second basemen with speed and pop have two advantages over, say, Barney. But I've really gotten to like Coello and wouldn't trade him today for Thomas.

But that's a prospect for a prospect. I'd probably trade Garza today for Lee, Archer, Guyer and Chirinos, with or without Fuld. I'd certainly trade Baker for Alburquerque and Harden + Gaudin for Donaldson. With Donaldson's HR power (35 in last two seasons) and 38% caught-stealing pct., I think he would catch for the Cubs next season.

And of course I would trade Grabow and Gorzellany for Josh Harrison, who could play third next year.

So I generally favor squawking when they trade a nice prospect. Almost invariably, it's selling low.

Well, it was in my blog then, September 10, 2009:

Alberto Alburquerque, by the way, was in my top ten when he was traded to Colorado for Jeff Baker. I take exception when I hear it said that the Cubs got Baker for nothing.

no, you mention it in the thread that day.

Yeah, I see it now.

He has an extraneous "r" in his name--Alburquerque. I spelled it right in my search but wrong in my comment.

appears Castro will runaway with the MVP vote

Z and Q-Ball seem to be the LVP contenders

I liked Marmolaid for LVP, even more when I consider that he was the MVP last year.

Castro was the player most fun to watch, but since we're, in theory, supposed to be entertained by this mess, I guess that's a good criteria for him to win.

Since there was no realistic chance that the Cubs were going to win in 2011, the only person whose actions mattered was Hendry. Sadly he was unable to turn good performances by ARam, Pena and others into young players via a trades.

Thus, in my opinion, Hendry is the only choice for LVP.

Remember he was "handcuffed" by his being fired, to some degree, and also AramRam didn't seem too excited about waiving his NTC.

If Pena nets us a 2nd supplemental pick, that's probably not going to be much worse than what we could have gotten for him.

Not to defend Hendry...

Valid points, and as you note there is still time to correct the problem through draft pick compensation, but IMO the fact remains that Henry's failure to turn over the roster makes him the LVP.

Or the fact that it took Hendry several years of work to produce this shitty roster.

I don't think Hendry's problem was creating a shitty roster, the roster did go to multiple playoffs. Hendry's problem is that he did not react fast enough when the window was closing to really clean house.

A roster that is good in 2008 is not necessarily good in 2011, and he had plenty of time in 2009 and 2010 to realize that and try to do something about it. This is a franchise that ought to be in contention most of the time, particularly in the NL Central--not in contention half the time and pure shit some of the time.

Isn't that what I said?

Maybe, except you started by saying that you didn't think Hendry's problem was creating shitty roster, so that confused me. He created good rosters in 2007 and 2008 (and 2003 and 2004). But he created the shitty rosters in 2010 and 2011 as well.

Rob has the MVPs right, but my LVPs are Byrd and DeWitt. I just hate those ugly swings. DeWitt is supposed to have been drafted for his swing but I just don't see it. When he hits the ball hard, it's a golf shot headed for the foul pole.

Not to sound like one of those villainous scouts in Moneyball . . .

dewitt was supposed to be hitting 20-25+ HR a year by now...meh. i wouldn't mind keeping him around another year.

note Az Phil's post on the Baker for Alberquerque thread...#96:

As for Alberto Alburquerque, he has had arm problems (elbow and shoulder) for much of his carerer, but he's finlly healthy this season and was throwing in the mid-90's at Daytona.

I would compare him to Marcos Mateo (but Alburquerque has a better fastball), and as of right now, I would have rated Alburquerque as one of the Top 5 minor leaguers most-likely to get added to the Cubs 40-man roster post-2009 (along with Welington Castillo, Steve Clevenger, Tyler Colvin, and John Gaub).

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Cubs have gotten mileage out of Baker, wasn't he Quade's favorite cleanup hitter vs leftys? ((facepalm))

2011 split vs LHP (.314/.349/.463/.812)

Baker's a perfectly reasonable short side platoon player bench guy, I'd say that's more valuable than your 4th or 5th reliever.

or at least on par

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  • bless your heart. *pinches cheeks*

    crunch 4 hours 21 min ago view
  • real shame I missed this week's episode of The Crunch Reporter.

    It's highly unusual.

    It does matter a little.

    It matters much less than you think.

     

     

    Rob G. 4 hours 23 min ago view
  • four winds field is awesome. it's crazy how minor league parks have "grown up" since the 80s/90s and that park was one of the late-80s models that showed a low-capacity ballpark could look like you're at something other than a highschool baseball game.

    crunch 5 hours 29 min ago view
  • On another topic....I returned to South Bend last night for the 2nd time this season (still haven't tried either the deep-fried mac & cheese sandwich nor "The Porknado", as the drive home is over an hour and that could get ugly), and was pleasantly surprised to find D. Underwood pitching in a rehab start. He looked good -- although, to be fair, these are low-A hitters -- fastball consistently at 94-95 (if the SB scoreboard is to be believed -- several pitches were clocked in the 30s...) and with good location.

    billybucks 6 hours 37 min ago view
  • he gains nothing, no advantage, no saving of resources, nothing...there is not a cost/benefit tradeoff...him letting the running game go on around him for others to control isn't gaining him an advantage elsewhere. it's putting him at a disadvantage even if it's not cashed in with a run.

    crunch 9 hours 17 min ago view
  • And out of respect for the rest of TCR, I'm done on this. I'm sure I'm not the only one in the other camp, but time to let it go. (Until the next Lester start. I kid.)

    #baseballtalk

    Tito 9 hours 20 min ago view
  • He is putting himself at a disadvanage. But how much of one relative to the rest of his game? He's not Justin Germano -- he's inarguably one of the best SPs in baseball, issue or not. It would be more of thing to discuss ad nauseum if it constantly caused him to give up runs and lose games. But it doesn't.

    #baseballtalk

    Tito 9 hours 30 min ago view
  • shouting down my points about lester with "well, it didn't hurt" is like saying it doesn't matter if a guy starts out walking 3 guys every inning as long it's followed by a K and a double play.

    it's like elevating ERA and wins to a high level while ignoring what it took to get there.

    crunch 9 hours 36 min ago view
  • I'm asking how much it has hurt Lester and the Cubs this year. Do you have that answer?

    I legitimately don't recall you answering that quesion, apart from the condescending silliness you just posted. So if you did answer specifically about the impact of Lester's issue, I'd like to re-read it. Thanks.

    #baseballtalk

    Tito 9 hours 49 min ago view
  • if runner = on base and pitcher = j.lester then lead = large

    if lead = large then probability of extra base on following hit > average of mean

    okay, enough of that silliness...

    ...you can read more on the thread i copy/pasted this from the last time you decided you needed to talk to me about me.

    crunch 9 hours 56 min ago view
  • Thank you for your answer.

    #baseballtalk

    Tito 9 hours 59 min ago view
  • bless your heart.

    crunch 10 hours 54 sec ago view
  • I don't recall you answering my question about quantifying how it has hurt Lester and the Cubs this season, apart from one guy scoring on a sac fly. Can you direct me to your answer? Thanks.

    #baseballtalk

    Tito 10 hours 5 min ago view
  • Lester's personal catcher has an .809 OPS.

    #baseballtalk

    Tito 10 hours 8 min ago view
  • we already has this asinine discussion. you didn't like the answer. there's already an answer above you can apply about how a guy goes from 1st base to home on a sac fly that included him stealing 3rd while lester watched from the mound. the fact that the cubs bats, 100% independent of that situation, scored some runs invalidates it as an issue to you. i find that stupid. we will not get anywhere with this. you know we will not get anywhere with this...because we already had this asinine discussion.

    #circularlogic

    crunch 10 hours 10 min ago view
  • it's not about SB...it never was.

    jake arrieta being slow to the plate isn't comparable to jon lester not throwing to any base. how the runners read off arrieta isn't anything similar to what a runner is reading off lester.

    maybe arrieta could use a personal catcher solely to control his running game...but i doubt it's that important.

    crunch 10 hours 13 min ago view