NL Central Curse Hits Cubs; Cashner and Wells Headed to DL
Patrick Mooney of CSN is reporting on his twitter account that Randy Wells and Andrew Cashner are both going to the disabled list.
Wells goes down with a forearm strain that no one knew anything about, Cashner's injury is his rotator cuff. I'm sure more details will be forthcoming. Mooney reports neither will throw for 2 weeks with the Cubs being cautious in April and Casey Coleman is sure to be one of the pitchers to join the rotation.
Some updates after the jump...
Hendry said both pitchers would be shut down for from 10 days to two
weeks and then will be reevaluated. Hendry said there were "no surgical
possibilities" with either pitcher.
Cashner's rotator-cuff strain was termed "very mild" by Hendry, and he
said that Wells' injury was strictly muscular in nature and did not
involve the elbow.
Q-Ball said he'd try to limit the need of a 5th starter. Now if neither of them will pick up a ball for 10-14 days, you need to tack on at least a week or two before they can join the rotation. So here's what the rotation could look like if Z stops drinking too many Red Bulls before games. I'll use Russell as a placeholder for now.
- Today (6th) - Dempster
- Thursday (7th) - Off Day
- Friday(8th) - Zambrano
- Saturday(9th) - Garza
- Sunday(10th) - Coleman
- 11th @Houston - Dempster
- 12th @Houston - Russell
- 13th @Houston - Zambrano
- 14th - Off Day
- 15th @Rockies - Garza
- 16th @Rockies - Coleman
- 17th @Rockies - Dempster (might switch Coleman/Dempster here)
- 18th vs. Padres - Zambrano
- 19th vs. Padres - Russell
- 20th vs. Padres - Garza
- 21st - Off Day
- 22nd vs. Dodgers - Dempster
- 23rd vs. Dodgers - Zambrano
- 24th vs. Dodgers - Coleman
- 25th vs. Rockies - Garza
- 26th vs. Rockies - Russell
- 27th vs. Rockies - Dempster
- 28th @ DBacks - Zambrano
- 29th @ DBacks - Coleman
- 30th @ DBacks - Garza
- 1st @ DBacks - Russell
- 2nd @ Dodgers - Dempster
- 3rd @ Dodgers - Zambrano
- 4th @ Dodgers - Coleman
- 5th - Off Day
- 6th vs. Reds - Garza
- 7th vs. Reds - Dempster
- 8th vs. Reds - Zambrano
- 9th - Off Day
Then the Cardinals come into town and by that point hopefully Wells and/or Cashner will be ready to go.
btw...Thanks AZ Phil. I'm really enjoying your take on this trade.
I'm a bit disappointed on the Warren experience. Essentially they gave Castro away for crickets (OK, well they signed Zobrist with the Castro salary dump). Otherwise one might look at it as Chapman for Castro and our #1 minors prospect (Torres) + McKinney/Crawford. Seems pricey for a 2 month rental. We will see if this price tag is that steep in a relative way based on the remaining deadline deals for relievers.
Yep. One of the great things about this team (in addition to being really good at baseball) was the "likable" factor. Feels a bit different now. Who knows...maybe Chapman will be the king of the dance parties.
Here are some possible corresponding minor league moves we might see in the aftermath of the Chapman trade:
SOUTH BEND to MYRTLE BEACH: OF Donnie Dewees and INF Bryant Flete
EUGENE to SOUTH BEND: OF Robert Garcia and INF Vimael Machin
There is really no reason to replace Billy McKinney at Tennessee because both Chris Coghlan and Jorge Soler are doing their rehab at Tennessee.
And there are plenty of pitchers at Iowa. No need to replace Warren at AAA. .
I am 70 years old. The Cubs last played in the World Series in 1945. I was born in 1946. I hate to lose a prospect like Torres, but when the opportunity is there to get that World Series ring, you go for it. This was the idea in stock piling all this young talent. I would like to see Reddick added now and the Cubbies should be done.
I would expect Richard to accept an optional assignment because based on how he's played this season, there is a decent chance that he won't find work elsewhere. Rather stay and potentially get a ring. Same goes for Coghlan since he's struggled mightily this year.
Edwards should not go down. He's pitched very well and Maddon is very impressed with him. I would expect Grimm to go down for Cahill so he can get back on track (he's pitched better in July, but he's not getting enough appearances).
chitownmvp01: Indeed Clayton Richard would seem to be odd man out once Chapman reports, but Richard might accept a minor league assignment if he is promised a return to Chicago on 9/1 when MLB Active List rosters expand (Richard has minor league ioptions left).
The only player in the deal that would cause me a second thought is Gleyber Torres.
McKinney and Crawford are decent prospects but both are redundant/replaceable in the system and Warren was really only a middle-reliever or #6 starter, so to me it's really just Torres for Chapman.
There is no Comp pick for players traded mid-season. 2+ months of Chapman is it.
to get one of the best you have to give up one/some of your best...but it's a bit painful to watch the system's best prospect walk for any 2-3 month rental, especially one that's not an everyday player.
I assume Chapman will replace Richard on the roster, but who goes down when Cahill gets activated? Maybe Grimm?
And when Soler and Coghlan get healthy, how do they fit them on the roster when they're ready to be activated?
We are giving up a lot, but it's not like we're trading Addison Russell for 2+ months of Jason Hammel. When impact players become available, they are going to cost you. The other bids could also have been high.
Having Chapman as a rental is potentially less disruptive than having him come in with an extension in place.
Billy McKinney had season-ending knee surgery last August and came to Minor League Camp this year somewhat restricted. (He was used mostly as a DH in Cactus League Minor League Camp games), and I'm not sure he's 100% right now (he's repeating AA, and his XBH numbers are way down, like he's not getting good rotation in his lowev half). That might have been part of the reason why the trade wasn't completed right away.
Rashad Crawford was a basketball star in HS (he was known as "Baby Jordan", and baseball was only his second sport) and he has plus-speed and athleticism, so when the Cubs drafted him (Keith Lockhart was the scout) he was seen as a long-term project.
I was at Fitch Park the day that Rashad Crawford became a LH hitter, He waa never a switch-hitter, He went directly from being a RH hitter to a LH hitter, which I had never seen before.
I'm with Rob G and Johann here. It's not about Chapman as a pitcher. I just don't want to have to block out a real problem (the domestic violence) in order to try to enjoy the frivolous ball and stick game.
ROB G & BOB R: You're right. The QO can only be extended if the player spends the entire previous season with one club, so only the Yankees could have offered one to Chapman (if he wasn't traded). If an Article XX-B FA is traded during the season, the new club can't offer a QO. .