Game #63 recap: Cubs 1, White Sox 0, Lilly Almost

Addendum: In cycling through Cub no-hit history, ESPN's Jon Miller mentioned that the Cubs have not been on the short end of a no-hitter since Sandy Koufax tossed a perfect game against the Cubs back in 1965. That was the game that saw Cub loser Bob Hendley allow the Dodgers just one hit. Joe Morgan intoned that he heard the ninth inning of that game on the radio as he and his Houston Astro teammates drove into the city from the L.A. airport; they were scheduled to play the Dodgers the next night. Morgan said he specifically remembered Koufax striking out Ernie Banks in the 9th to preserve the perfect game. Would it surprise you to know that Morgan was wrong? Nope. Didn't surprise me either.

 


 

The Cubs held on to beat the White Sox, 1-0, Sunday night at Wrigley Field. The game saw Ted Lilly and Gavin Floyd locked up in a double no-hit duel until Alfonso Soriano collected the game's first hit, a double inside the leftfield line with two out in the Cubs seventh. Chad Tracy then followed with a sharp ground-ball single that plated Soriano with the game's only run.

Lilly maintained his no-hitter into the top of the ninth, at which point Juan Pierre rapped a clean line single to centerfield to break up the no-no and send Lilly to the showers in favor of Carlos Marmol. Marmol's shaky ninth inning included a walk and a balk, which left the Sox with men at second and third and none out. But the Cub closer came back to fan Alexei Ramirez and, following an intentional pass to Alex Rios, he induced Paul Konerko to hit into a force out and retired Carlos Quentin on a fly ball to short centerfield.

All in all, great drama for the third and final game in this Cubs/White Sox series; so great, it was momentarily possible to forget that we were watching two desperately mediocre teams that between them, couldn't put together a first-rate pennant contender.

Sad to see Lilly lose his no-hit bid so late in the game. The ESPN boys pointed out that this would have marked the first no-hit game thrown at Wrigley Field since Milt Pappas's near-perfect game against the Padres in 1972. I guess that means the good news about Lilly missing out on the no-hitter is that we won't have to listen to Milt Pappas remind the Chicago radio audience tomorrow morning how Bruce Froemming jobbed him out of a perfect game.

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"Wrigley Field people, all they can do is boo. They boo for every freaking thing here." Oz on Cubs fans booing Beckham bunt attempt in 8th. (via @cst_sox)

seemed like a harmless boo, don't think anyone could be too upset in a 1-0 game about that.

except maybe Curt Schilling.

Ozzie's a little on edge, now he has two sons he has to find jobs for.

dear oz: get the fuck over it.

Wasn't it hawk harrelson who got all whiny when someone tried to bunt in the later innngs of Buerle's perfecto?

probably, but he's missing chromosomes.

I thought he had an extra chromosome...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mongoloid_(song)

"The lyrics discuss an individual who has Down Syndrome, formerly known as Mongolism. Despite his affliction, he is able to live a normal life so that nobody knows of his extra chromosome."

Also see:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mongolism

and:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G6lY8UmMIUY

Enough with the Hawk Harrelson love.

duty now, spud.

Speaking of Joe Morgan...did anyone else hear when he said that Zambrano's no-hitter in 2008 was played in Miller Park because of hurricane Katrina? Just not even close....3 years off.

Holy balls, Katrina was 5 years ago?

They need to get that little dude from PTI to come on and do his fact checking and correcting every two innings or so in Joe Morgan games.

we were watching two desperately mediocre teams that between them, couldn't put together a first-rate pennant contender

Ouch.

i heard miller invoke katrina...only thing that would ever surprise me about morgan would be if he ever shut up...wish we didn't play the sox; can't stand ozzie, can't stand harrelson, can't stand their uni's, etc.

Can't stand Pierzynski, can't stand Andruw Jones, can't stand Buehrle, can't stand Peavy. . .

No Cubs, not much else baseball involving players on my fantasy team

boring.

be a good day for a firing.

Even a ceremonial firing could be cathartic. "Ivan DeJesus, collect your things and get out of here!"

if they got no hitted by gavin floyd...

It was a perfect game, and there was no way Banks batted in the bottom third of the order. Koufax did strike out all the batters he faced in the eighth and ninth innings, including, of course, Banks in the eighth.

http://ahundrednextyears.tumblr.com/post/6976...

courtesy of Cubnut, look at Cubs OPS by position and how they rank in the NL

Thanks for the link, Rob. Just to clarify the little chart, it doesn't show where the Cubs rank relative to the rest of the NL, defensive position-by-defensive position. It just shows the order of offensive output by position. For example, league-wide, the most productive offensive players are the first basemen, the rightfielders, and then the third basemen. For the Cubs, the most productive offensive players have been the leftfielders (primarily Soriano) the centerfielders (primarily Byrd), and the catchers (mostly Soto). Third base (i.e., Ramirez) and second base are where the Cubs have fallen most short of the rest of the NL.

I think it'd be fun to take a moment to fully appreciate the lack of production at 2nd base:

Ryan Theriot as a SS this year: .764 OPS

Mike Fontenot's overall 2010 OPS: .780
Jeff Baker's overall 2010 OPS: .705, despite a dismal .247 batting average.

Ryan Theriot as a 2B this year: .517 OPS.

Fontenot and Baker still seem like the best option at 2B to me as a platoon. Fontenot can put up average-ish offensive numbers, and Baker has hammered lefties in his career.

Castro is putting up a .660 OPS so far. A little disappointing, but not terribly surprising.

If the Cubs are playing for 2011, they need to deal Theriot at some point and go with the cheap platoon at 2B.

If the Cubs think they are contenders still, Theriot needs to hit or sit. An ice cold Ryan Theriot helps no one.

For the first 26 games Theriot had a .799 OPS. Over the next 25 it was .384. But over his last 8 games he's had an .828 OPS. Those 4 weeks he struggled so badly might have just been a slump or it might have been the position change, or a little of both.

My guess is that if he hadn't just been moved he would have sat much more during that horrendous stretch. The move from SS to 2B was like being demoted so Lou naturally wants to make sure he knows that he will be the everyday second basemen. He also wants to get him reps at the new position, not sporadic play, so he can adjust. And he wants Castro to work with the same DP partner as much as possible as he adjusts to the big leagues.

Anyway, my guess is that Theriot will end up with an OPS right around .700 by the time the season ends, with above average defense at 2B, and 25 stolen bases or so. All of which makes him about 12th-15th as far as MLB second basemen go.

ryan theriot was leading the league in hits when he was moved from SS to 2nd.

lulz.

Theriot plays above average defense?

Pretty much any shortstop playing second base will be above average. They have greater range and stronger throwing arms than traditional second basemen.

lol. But isn't Theriot a second baseman who was playing shortstop who is now playing second base again? This Shortstops vs. Secondbasemen argument doesn't make sense to me when it essentially just comes down to where the manager decides to put them. It's not like comparing Wolves to Coyotes or something.

This is irony, right? I'm just missing some irony.

I think the point is that there are some second basemen that you just can't move to shortstop, even if the manager wants to. The fact that Theriot was able to play short, and play it adequately, suggests he is above most second basement (e.g. Fontenot) defensively.

Regarding Castro, I like to compare him most to Elvis Andrus of last season: similar age, experience, hype and position. Andrus finished with a .702 ops, if Castro can end up in that neighborhood this season and play good defense, I would be more than happy.

it's still deck chair shuffling to me. he doesn't hurt much when he hurts and he doesn't help much when he helps.

at least fontenot's finding some ABs...he was consistently as boring yet productive as the other guys until the past couple weeks.

http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/06/the...

Oswalt to Rangers reported to be close and then rebuked by Olney

damn liberal media...

Unless the Rangers have a lot more home games against the Cubs, they just can't afford him.

http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/chicago-wh...

Morosi thinks Cubs should trade Fukudome and Theriot

and I ask, "That's it?"

says Fukudome has an NTC to 15 teams and no one is looking for a shortstop right now.

how about trading Byrd? his value will never be higher.

You make too much sense.

But then Hendry is pretending to be trying to win it all every year--even this year. He has no long term plans (he admitted last year) just over-reactions to desperate situations as they develop.

What are you talking about? The last time Hendry traded a guy he signed as a FA from Texas and traded him, the Neanderthals were pounding on the Wrigley gates in outrage.

John Grabow has completed his rehab at Iowa and has returned to Chicago. He will presumably be reactivated tomorrow.

and the wheel of demotion falls on?

I guess howry gets released or Wells or Atkins gets sent down.

If Howry and Grabow are in the same bullpen the Cubs should just forfeit all of their remaining games to spare us from having to watch.

What was the move to activate Atkins, anyway? Was Russell sent down?

Maybe Grabow can develop some social anxiety disorder quickly and go to the 60-day.

yeah Russell

I was at that game in '72 and it WAS strike 3...I calls em as I sees em! Milt should get a Corvette!

A little more draft recap from Baseball prospectus (subscription?) You should be able read a little at least without a subscription.

http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php...

"While it was initially hard to understand the Simpson selection at 16, at least it's more understandable with some time to digest the pick. Golden and Gibbs are one of the best second/third round combos around, and the club seemed to focus on upside throughout day two."

Easily the biggest shocker of the first round, but post-draft inquiries had it making more sense, as he's the player the Cubs wanted, and they feared a team with multiple first-round picks would nab him before they selected again.

you don't fucking say...

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  • This offseason, after some ridiculous playoff run and Chapman saving every game from here until the end of the postseason striking out 27/9innings, I welcome anyone to quote this thread and call me a dummy: I hate this trade, and my hate is 2 parts Chapman makes this team less likeable and 1 part that's a ridiculous overpay for 30 regular season innings and, at tops, 10 postseason innings. Already hoping they don't extend him.

    Charlie 1 min 21 sec ago view
  • btw...Thanks AZ Phil. I'm really enjoying your take on this trade.

    Cubster 23 min 40 sec ago view
  • I'm a bit disappointed on the Warren experience. Essentially they gave Castro away for crickets (OK, well they signed Zobrist with the Castro salary dump). Otherwise one might look at it as Chapman for Castro and our #1 minors prospect (Torres) + McKinney/Crawford. Seems pricey for a 2 month rental. We will see if this price tag is that steep in a relative way based on the remaining deadline deals for relievers.

    Cubster 24 min 8 sec ago view
  • Yep. One of the great things about this team (in addition to being really good at baseball) was the "likable" factor. Feels a bit different now. Who knows...maybe Chapman will be the king of the dance parties.

    billybucks 32 min 57 sec ago view
  • Here are some possible corresponding minor league moves we might see in the aftermath  of the Chapman trade: 

    SOUTH BEND to MYRTLE BEACH: OF Donnie Dewees and INF Bryant Flete  

    EUGENE to SOUTH BEND: OF Robert Garcia and INF Vimael Machin 

    There is really no reason to replace Billy McKinney at Tennessee because both Chris Coghlan and Jorge Soler are doing their rehab at Tennessee.  

    And there are plenty of pitchers at Iowa. No need to replace Warren at AAA. .  

    Arizona Phil 53 min 7 sec ago view
  • I am 70 years old. The Cubs last played in the World Series in 1945. I was born in 1946. I hate to lose a prospect like Torres, but when the opportunity is there to get that World Series ring, you go for it. This was the idea in stock piling all this young talent. I would like to see Reddick added now and the Cubbies should be done.

    Hagsag 1 hour 23 min ago view
  • I would expect Richard to accept an optional assignment because based on how he's played this season, there is a decent chance that he won't find work elsewhere. Rather stay and potentially get a ring. Same goes for Coghlan since he's struggled mightily this year.

    Edwards should not go down. He's pitched very well and Maddon is very impressed with him. I would expect Grimm to go down for Cahill so he can get back on track (he's pitched better in July, but he's not getting enough appearances).

    chitownmvp01 1 hour 27 min ago view
  • chitownmvp01: Indeed Clayton Richard would seem to be odd man out once Chapman reports, but Richard might accept a minor league assignment if he is promised a return to Chicago on 9/1 when MLB Active List rosters expand (Richard has minor league ioptions left).

    Arizona Phil 1 hour 30 min ago view
  • The only player in the deal that would cause me a second thought is Gleyber Torres.

    McKinney and Crawford are decent prospects but both are redundant/replaceable in the system and Warren was really only a middle-reliever or #6 starter, so to me it's really just Torres for Chapman.

    Arizona Phil 1 hour 50 min ago view
  • There is no Comp pick for players traded mid-season. 2+ months of Chapman is it.

    mbauer 1 hour 52 min ago view
  • to get one of the best you have to give up one/some of your best...but it's a bit painful to watch the system's best prospect walk for any 2-3 month rental, especially one that's not an everyday player.

    crunch 1 hour 55 min ago view
  • I assume Chapman will replace Richard on the roster, but who goes down when Cahill gets activated? Maybe Grimm?

    And when Soler and Coghlan get healthy, how do they fit them on the roster when they're ready to be activated?

    chitownmvp01 1 hour 58 min ago view
  • We are giving up a lot, but it's not like we're trading Addison Russell for 2+ months of Jason Hammel. When impact players become available, they are going to cost you. The other bids could also have been high.

    Having Chapman as a rental is potentially less disruptive than having him come in with an extension in place. 

    CTSteve 2 hours 11 sec ago view
  • Billy McKinney had season-ending knee surgery last August and came to Minor League Camp this year somewhat restricted. (He was used mostly as a DH in Cactus League Minor League Camp games), and I'm not sure he's 100% right now (he's repeating AA, and his XBH numbers are way down, like he's not getting good rotation in his lowev half). That might have been part of the reason why the trade wasn't completed right away.

    Arizona Phil 2 hours 7 min ago view
  • Rashad Crawford was a basketball star in HS (he was known as "Baby Jordan", and baseball was only his second sport) and he has plus-speed and athleticism, so when the Cubs drafted him (Keith Lockhart was the scout)  he was seen as a long-term project.  

    I was at Fitch Park the day that Rashad Crawford became a LH hitter, He waa never a switch-hitter, He went directly from being a RH hitter to a LH hitter, which I had never seen before. 

    Arizona Phil 2 hours 15 min ago view
  • I'm with Rob G and Johann here. It's not about Chapman as a pitcher. I just don't want to have to block out a real problem (the domestic violence) in order to try to enjoy the frivolous ball and stick game.

    Charlie 2 hours 23 min ago view