VICTORY!!!

The Blackhawks celebrate Z's first win since returning to the rotation.

Congrats to the Hawks and drawing the attention away from the Cubs for a few more days.

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5 scoreless for Cashner to start with 4 k's, 0 bb's and 2 H allowed

Welcome to the 8th inning kid.

How sweet it is!!

Every Chicago pro sports team has now won a championship in my lifetime except the one I spend the most time, energy and money on.

Congrats to all you Hawks fans. I'm happy for the city.

Well it's nice that Cashner is being used in the role that helps this franchise the most instead of having blinders on to the world and remaining a starter.

Blinders on? Like pretending this team is going somewhere this year depending upon whether Cashner starts or pitches in the bullpen?

ha.

Cashner needs to be a starter. Bro can pitch.

I agree it doesn't matter this year, though. I mean in the long term.

If the Cubs are far enough out of it in late August and September for Lou and Hendry to admit they are out of it, Cash, Jackson, and maybe even Thomas Diamond (depending upon trades, his play in AAA at that point) should have opportunities to pitch in the rotation if they haven't hit their innings quota for the year, and other guys ought to shift from rotation to bullpen to cut down on their innings and save their arms a bit (Dempster? Zambrano? Wells?).

[I agree with you, Ryno. Consider him a starter until/unless he gives you sufficient reason to think he's not. Starters are much more valuable.]

Since this is a congrats Blackhawks thread...

The actual Stanley Cup has been modified over the years, anyone know much about that history?

Here's a pic I found of Redwing Sid Abel holding the cup in 1950. Many more layers (9) in the bottom portion of the cup. Obviously they had to rework it so that all the players can get their names engraved but the cup itself looks the same size. I wasn't sure if they just made the cup bigger by adding a bottom layer when they ran out of room for names.

http://i176.photobucket.com/albums/w192/Mahjo...

The Wiki entry includes several pictures showing how the design of the cup's base changed.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanley_Cup

CUBS HOIST SOTO'S CUP!
Geo Pokes 2 of Team's 5 HR's vs. Sorry Brewers

rumor alert
cup and hawks will be at wrigley tomorrow .

/hope it's true

just don't let Alex Gonzalez near it, he'd be sure to drop it.

"The Blackhawks celebrate Z's first win since returning to the rotation."

haha... clever.

lineup for Thurs

Fuku, Theriot, Byrd, Tracy, Nady, Colvin, Soto, Castro, Dempster

You can bet Demp is hung over today. MAny buddies on this Hawks team as you all know.

HE will either pitch lights-out, or will suck mightily.

B.

blue angels are in chicago for their many-times-a-year show of taxpayer military waste.

woooooooooooooooooooooooosh.

Byrd catches a huge break.

Earlier in the game Weeks took 2b on him on a sac fly by Fielder. Now with 1st/3rd and 1 out Nady flies deep to center with Byrd on 1b and decided to try and make-up for it but would have been nailed before Theriot's run would have scored, but Weeks dropped the ball.

Did you catch his "wait til next year" comment?
http://marlonbyrd.mlblogs.com/archives/2010/0...

so he's a realist?

yeah, what an asshole.

I sure don't think Marlon is an asshole.

Except for his throws that tail to the right (another one today..) I love the guy.

Thank goodness Weeks can't hold onto the ball.

Thank goodness we got Chad Tracy's bat back up from Iowa.

2 AB, 2 K's.
Against Dave Bush.

Sheesh.

Can you say "AAAA" ball player...

You're talking about Dave Bush, right?

Brewers pitchers are killing us with their bats....

chad tracy...you suck so much.

how not to do a rundown by the 2010 cubs.

Remember the Barrett v. Rollins rundown? Good times.

[How the hell do you bounce that throw, anyway?!]

expect it any time tracy has to throw at a target he's running toward...he's pretty bad about it, imo...still, that was pathetically tragic.

How did the Brewers score their third run?

the botched run-down mentioned above...

grounder to 2nd with runners on 1st/2nd. Theriot goes to first when Fielder stopped and Nady had him at 2b, but Weeks was now at 3b so Fielder tried to get in a rundown.

Weeks took off and Castro threw home, Soto then gunned it to 3b and Tracy tried to throw home on the run and bounced it and Soto didn't come up with it. Weeks did get clocked though which was nice.

Thanks, no mention of how it scored on Yahoo.

WOO!!!!!!!

Nady seems healed.

Cardinals signed Jeff Suppan... I normally would be pretty happy about this but when I think about the history of the Cardinals doing something with unproductive pitchers I get a little scared.

At least Suppan supposedly has back problems. Then again he probably wins the damn Cy Young. Oh how I dislike Dave Duncan.

"C. Tracy struck out swinging" -- times 3. Against Dave Bush. Dave Frigging Bush.

how is that fat-as-hell brewers fan near home plate fitting into his seat?

Think Gorz is having fun?

Sloth was screwed by the Castro/Nady error. Although could have not walked Weeks or Fielder.

jeff baker ph 4 colvin?????

Howry in

this can only end in 2 ways, bad or horrific.

more cubs defensive fail in the bottom 9th...awesome.

My love for MarByrd is dying as I write.

cubs hair kid #1

something tells me howry isn't much of a 2 inning guy...

okay...screw this game. what the hell...so much cubbery.

MIL deserved to win this one.

you just have to laugh.

or kill yourself.

Nady's a dumb-ass

Was that the ball that sailed over third or his arm?

It was Stanley's cup (cub fan Stosh tossed his beer cup in disgust)

did anyone here know that Byrd is leading the league in BA?

I know he was second going into last night's game behind Prado.

Why is Bob Howry on the team again? Diamond, Jackson, Schlitter... all of these guys would have given the Cubs a better chance to win today (though sounds like the defense was top notch as well).

Notice how the Brewers were able to keep their lineup intact, and the Cubs wound up with Howry batting second, Hill batting 9th and Soriano batting 7th?

this game was full of stupid all around.

why howry was pitching a 2nd inning, i dunno...don't know why after striking out 3 times they had a hit and run on with byrd/tracy, but it kept tracy from following up his 3 Ks with a double play, though.

lot of walks...cruddy D...

Why are you complaining about decisions made by a fat old man making $3 million?!?!? Those decision's don't matter, right?

no, it's about how similar the 500K-1m ones are to the 3-5+m ones.

besides, the walks + cruddy D killed the game and 1 weird decision turned out okay, anyway. there's other weird decisions not mentioned that didn't.

it was just a really stupid game.

Ok, I'm still grinning ear to ear from last night, but now I can switch into Cubs mode.

why would you want to do that to yourself?

fart

lol!

Kerry blows a save against the Red Sox.

-edit- but gets the win when Bard blows it filling in for Papelbon.

After the cup and the hawks leave wrigley tomorrow, do the city and the fans a favor and napalm the place

"It was a perfect situation for the Brewers," Hill said. "They had a guy up there at the plate [in Counsell] who takes a lot of pride in what he does and he practices those situations, so when it does come up, he gets the bunt down to the right side of the field. They have the perfect guy on first base [in Gomez], who is one of the fastest guys in the league, and they had one of the worst fundamental teams on the field, so it was a perfect situation for them."

well at least Mordecai Hill is honest...

Wow.

From Phil Rogers -

The Cubs have committed 43 errors, tied for the eighth-most in the majors. But the really telling statistic is unearned runs allowed. The Cubs have allowed 32 of those already, a pace that would produce 86 over 162 games. The only team that has allowed more is Washington (34).

Those unearned runs have been as much a part of the 2010 story for Lou Piniella's team as a bad bullpen and disappointing run production. And there's a trend here that says bad things about Piniella's ability to address issues.

In 2007, his first year in Chicago, the Cubs allowed 40 unearned runs. Those totals have climbed to 47 in '08, 56 in '09 and the projected 86 in '10.

http://www.chicagobreakingsports.com/2010/06/...

That's assuming that unearned runs follow a straight line projection.

Toyota sign is up.

http://www.chicagobreakingsports.com/2010/06/...

(With picture.)

It's hideous. And it's not what the Ricketts said they were going to put up. The sign was supposed to be lower and wider. Like this

http://chicagoist.com/attachments/Marcus%20Gi...

fart

I smell a new meme.

nice.

fart just sums up how I felt about the game (and the season) as well as how much I care about a new sign.

Can we recall the 2010 season now?

Kendry Morales officially out for the year now.

Get on the phone Hendry!!

j/k, I'm sure with the way the Angels are playing they'll wait it out until they get the deal and player they want.

caller on wscr said Randy Wells (and Ryan Dempster) were partying with the Blackhawks at The Underground until the wee hours...Wells left early (3 am) because he's starting today, Dempster closed down the place.

...expect another "wobbly" outing for wells. James Russell you have an appointment with the 2nd inning.

...expect any pics of Dempster to be with his sunglasses on.

http://www.theundergroundchicago.com/

i like koyie hill...

So do I. For me, he replaced the pitching coach a while ago. When a pitcher is having problems, they put him in Hill's care.

But now he seems to be going after Piniella's and Trammel's jobs. Well, more power to him. I like Lou, but he's sloppy about defense.

Hill's outburst was the strongest since the one Bradley got kicked off the team for. But Hill won't be disciplined, more likely he'll be rewarded, because he was talking about something real.

"But Hill won't be disciplined, more likely he'll be rewarded, because he was talking about something real."

and because he's white

and because he adds 5 mph to a pitcher's fastball. you just can't teach that.

you also can't teach his whiteness.

you also can't teach a crappy backup catcher to call out the rest of his team.

koyie hill is kinda' like ryan theriot. neither do anything well. yet cubs fans still still like them.

"you just can't teach that."

Well, you can teach a pitcher to trust his fastball and throw it more often. The current pitching coach can't, but maybe a catcher could. You can remind a slider-happy late-inning reliever, whose occasional fastball was hitting 91-92, that he used to throw 96-97. It's not exactly adding 5 mph to a pitcher's fastball, but you're right, it sounds funnier that way.

As to Theriot and Hill not doing anything well:

I think Theriot was pretty good at positioning himself at shortstop, so that his complete lack of range wasn't as glaring as it might have been. If that sounds like damning with faint praise, I'm not his biggest fan right now. He is 13 out of 15 in stolen base attempts, which is keeping him in the lineup and near the top of the order. Nobody else steals bases on this team. So he does that pretty well, at least lately.

Hill was 40% in caught-stealings last year, compared to Soto's 20%. Hill's CS numbers are down this year, but it may be because he tends to come in the game when Marmol is pitching. (They must think he catches Marmol well. Also Carlos Silva.) Marmol doesn't usually bother to hold runners. Since 2007 he has had 19 bases stolen on him, against 1 caught-stealing. Maybe holding runners is one of the fundamentals that Hill was talking about.

Anyway, Hill will still be here next year. I'm not so sure about Theriot, the manager and the pitching coach.

I just lol'd imagining having this conversation with somebody like Francisco Rodriguez.

Catcher: Hey man, we're in a bind here. You used to throw 98 miles an hour all the time!

K Rod: And?

Catcher: That was awesome.

K Rod: Hey, fuck you, man.

Maybe Hill should try it with Zambrano. He used to throw 98.

There's a difference between reminding a guy to rely on the fastball and somehow making a guy recover lost velocity.

I'd just to like to know when Marmol was throwing in the low 90's?

Arguments are easier to win when you make up stuff.

fwiw, Marmol is throwing his fastball even less this year than last year.

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  • bless your heart. *pinches cheeks*

    crunch 4 hours 3 min ago view
  • real shame I missed this week's episode of The Crunch Reporter.

    It's highly unusual.

    It does matter a little.

    It matters much less than you think.

     

     

    Rob G. 4 hours 5 min ago view
  • four winds field is awesome. it's crazy how minor league parks have "grown up" since the 80s/90s and that park was one of the late-80s models that showed a low-capacity ballpark could look like you're at something other than a highschool baseball game.

    crunch 5 hours 11 min ago view
  • On another topic....I returned to South Bend last night for the 2nd time this season (still haven't tried either the deep-fried mac & cheese sandwich nor "The Porknado", as the drive home is over an hour and that could get ugly), and was pleasantly surprised to find D. Underwood pitching in a rehab start. He looked good -- although, to be fair, these are low-A hitters -- fastball consistently at 94-95 (if the SB scoreboard is to be believed -- several pitches were clocked in the 30s...) and with good location.

    billybucks 6 hours 19 min ago view
  • he gains nothing, no advantage, no saving of resources, nothing...there is not a cost/benefit tradeoff...him letting the running game go on around him for others to control isn't gaining him an advantage elsewhere. it's putting him at a disadvantage even if it's not cashed in with a run.

    crunch 8 hours 59 min ago view
  • And out of respect for the rest of TCR, I'm done on this. I'm sure I'm not the only one in the other camp, but time to let it go. (Until the next Lester start. I kid.)

    #baseballtalk

    Tito 9 hours 2 min ago view
  • He is putting himself at a disadvanage. But how much of one relative to the rest of his game? He's not Justin Germano -- he's inarguably one of the best SPs in baseball, issue or not. It would be more of thing to discuss ad nauseum if it constantly caused him to give up runs and lose games. But it doesn't.

    #baseballtalk

    Tito 9 hours 12 min ago view
  • shouting down my points about lester with "well, it didn't hurt" is like saying it doesn't matter if a guy starts out walking 3 guys every inning as long it's followed by a K and a double play.

    it's like elevating ERA and wins to a high level while ignoring what it took to get there.

    crunch 9 hours 18 min ago view
  • I'm asking how much it has hurt Lester and the Cubs this year. Do you have that answer?

    I legitimately don't recall you answering that quesion, apart from the condescending silliness you just posted. So if you did answer specifically about the impact of Lester's issue, I'd like to re-read it. Thanks.

    #baseballtalk

    Tito 9 hours 31 min ago view
  • if runner = on base and pitcher = j.lester then lead = large

    if lead = large then probability of extra base on following hit > average of mean

    okay, enough of that silliness...

    ...you can read more on the thread i copy/pasted this from the last time you decided you needed to talk to me about me.

    crunch 9 hours 38 min ago view
  • Thank you for your answer.

    #baseballtalk

    Tito 9 hours 41 min ago view
  • bless your heart.

    crunch 9 hours 42 min ago view
  • I don't recall you answering my question about quantifying how it has hurt Lester and the Cubs this season, apart from one guy scoring on a sac fly. Can you direct me to your answer? Thanks.

    #baseballtalk

    Tito 9 hours 47 min ago view
  • Lester's personal catcher has an .809 OPS.

    #baseballtalk

    Tito 9 hours 50 min ago view
  • we already has this asinine discussion. you didn't like the answer. there's already an answer above you can apply about how a guy goes from 1st base to home on a sac fly that included him stealing 3rd while lester watched from the mound. the fact that the cubs bats, 100% independent of that situation, scored some runs invalidates it as an issue to you. i find that stupid. we will not get anywhere with this. you know we will not get anywhere with this...because we already had this asinine discussion.

    #circularlogic

    crunch 9 hours 52 min ago view
  • it's not about SB...it never was.

    jake arrieta being slow to the plate isn't comparable to jon lester not throwing to any base. how the runners read off arrieta isn't anything similar to what a runner is reading off lester.

    maybe arrieta could use a personal catcher solely to control his running game...but i doubt it's that important.

    crunch 9 hours 55 min ago view