Game 96 Thread / Cubs @ Astros (1 of 3)

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SP *Ted Lilly SP Brian Moehler
9-6, 4.68, 108 K, 41 BB, 115.1 IP
5-4, 4.28, 44 K, 24 BB, 75.2 IP
SS Ryan Theriot 2B #Kaz Matsui
RF *Kosuke Fukudome CF *Darin Erstad
1B Derrek Lee 1B #Lance Berkman
3B Aramis Ramirez LF Carlos Lee
C Geovany Soto SS Miguel Tejada
CF *Jim Edmonds 3B Hunter Pence
LF Mark DeRosa RF Ty Wigginton
2B *Mike Fontenot C J.R. Towles
P *Ted Lilly P Brian Moehler

 

The second half is upon us and the Cubs trot out Ted Lilly to start it...for some reason. I assume it was to give Z and Dempster an extra day after their All-Star appearances and to limit Rich Harden as much as possible before he goes on a 27 inning scoreless streak in the playoffs. Nonetheless, Lilly's homer-happy ways will be on display tonight with the ever-present Crawford boxes looming in short left field. If he can manage a win, he'll join Dempster and Zambrano in the 10-win club.

Before the game, the Cubs put Jon Lieber on the disabled list with a right foot strain (same foot that cost him most of last year) and recalled Micah Hoffpauir. 

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On the DL? C'mon! He has sat on a bench for most of the first 100 games! He has been in 25, and only thrown 44 innings. He certainly got "plenty of rest". This cannot be a "legitimate" injury. Can it?

What is going on with Fukudome? The guy seems to have lost quite a bit of plate discipline lately.

The league has more than figured Fukudome out at this point. In fact you can get him to take strikes and swing at balls :(...ugly ugly.

wow...that sucked.

And Rich Hill sucked too. He started out well (as someone in the previous thread noted) but Len and Bob reported he ended up giving up 6 runs and had 4 walks in I think only 3 innings of work.

wuertz, AAA

1ip 1h 0bb 1k (16 pitches, 11 strikes, 0 runs)

Didn't help that all 3 inherited runners scored after Hill was pulled from the game too. On the positive, at least no HRs surrendered.

Central Division Leaders on June 11

Cubs 42-24 +101 RS-RA
St.L 40-27 +44
Milw 34-31 -5

Since June 11

Milw 18-12 +26 RS-RA
Cubs 15-15 +4
St.L 15-16 -16

St. Louis remains an enigma. TL is a magician.

Milwaukee's big boost has been thanks in large part (some might say entirely) to CC Sabathia's 3-0 record, 2 complete games(that makes 5 on the year now), and 24 innings pitched in 3 starts.

That said, if the Brewers continue to play .600 baseball they project out to a 92-70 season. The Cubs need to finish 36-30 to beat 'em.

You mean the Cubs still went .500 during a stretch where one by one they lost their best starting pitcher, their best reliever and 2 of their best hitters? Lou must be a wizard.

What's magical about playing .500 ball when you outscore your opponents?

you play 1.000 ball when you outscore your opponents.

aggregates mean nothing out of context.

cubs played PIT like 12+ times or something crazy early on...amongst other things.

what does matter is that not many think this team can't be a playoff caliber team. they're good if not spectacular is almost all aspects of team construction (from starters to bench) all over. the best? probably not. one of the best? yeah.

But the context is obvious. MLB won-loss records roughly obey this formula:

Winning Percentage = RS ²/(RS ² + RA ²)

When RA = RS, Winning Percentage = .500
When RA > RS, Winning Percentage > .500

the context is not obvious. i can come up with a dozen contexts to put it in...ones that include past games, ones that look at individual games, ones that look at strength of schedule.

the "roughly" part should tell you things are not so obvious.

also RA > RS = WP > .500?

its not true for the opposite, either, more just just occasionally...toronto, dodgers, arizona and atlanta right now don't follow it...

Apparently MY context wasn't that obvious to navigator so i'll spell it out:

When you don't have 4 of your best players, it's a whole heck of a lot harder to win games.

Best news of the road trip: Gonna miss both Webb and Haren in AZ.

have we seen the last of jon lieber till september
i hear his injury could linger for about 6 weeks.

does it matter?

I'm much more worried about "July" Kosuke (.152 .204 .239 .443) and "Road" Kosuke (.207 .310 .290 .600 ) right now. What's plan B if he doesn't figure it out??

srumpbuster !!!

/i keed

there's only 1 plan-B for RF unless lou loses his mind again and thinks D.Ward is a RF'r...derosa.

i know he likes hoffPOWER, but i dont think anyone is crazy enough to put him in RF.

not a bad plan-B...not very exciting from a defensive point of view, though not an awful option in RF...leaves 2nd to be covered by fontegod.

mmm depth. yum. good stuff.

At least we don't have this joker patrolling our outfield:

http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/gameday/index.jsp?gid=2008_...

click on the WRAP tab and the "Izturis gets a triple..." video clip.

http://www.dailyherald.com/story/?id=222083

going to AZ Phil land on Monday and then Iowa for 2 games. Eyre should be back Monday.

Kerry probably not available until tomorrow's game.

Earth to Gordon Wittenmeyer: If that comes to pass then let the record show that he was out MORE than 6 weeks and lay to rest this apocryphal crap that he's a superfast healer.

So far as a Cub, Soriano is more of an injury looking for a way to happen.

You articulate good.

Uh yeah. what he said.

I had almost the exact same injury as Soriano back in March, and 6 weeks and 3 days later I was back playing softball with almost no noticeable difference. I also started playing a couple weeks before my orthopedist gave me the official go-ahead as well.

His bones might not heal faster than the average human's, but he's not behind at all either. His bones are healing right on schedule with what my doctor told me. I'm pretty sure the whole "fast-healer" thing is just Fonzie being optimistic. It's not like he's some superhero or something.

So far as a commenter, you are a Troll waiting to happen.

waiting?

on mvn there were plenty of diatribes of personal greatness mixed with actual useful info without his commentary and demands mixed in.

its really great when he calls people idiots, morons, stupid, or etc.

you get that once a week at least yet he keeps preferring the company of idiots, morAns, and the stupid.

fire up your browser and check out some classics by him off mvn.com TCR site...

he's done this on other msg boards, too.

at least its consistent...i guess.

while you're at it check out some old 'silent towel' posts and remind yourself it could be worse. at least nav. brings some good info occasionally.

Oh c'mon now!

what about the "bubble gum cards", the "used infield rake" and my personal favorite, the "1/2 can of Simoniz" ???

That was gold, Crunch, gold!

(wink)

end o subject

murton got his first oakland double today...2 for 4, 1k 0bb...

I remember my first "oakland double." I was limping for a week.

Score one for Brick.

thanks NL west teams for handing games to the brewers and cards....been watching both, this is really gross. wow.
still time for the cards and brew to blow it, of course.

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  • bless your heart. *pinches cheeks*

    crunch 4 hours 26 min ago view
  • real shame I missed this week's episode of The Crunch Reporter.

    It's highly unusual.

    It does matter a little.

    It matters much less than you think.

     

     

    Rob G. 4 hours 29 min ago view
  • four winds field is awesome. it's crazy how minor league parks have "grown up" since the 80s/90s and that park was one of the late-80s models that showed a low-capacity ballpark could look like you're at something other than a highschool baseball game.

    crunch 5 hours 34 min ago view
  • On another topic....I returned to South Bend last night for the 2nd time this season (still haven't tried either the deep-fried mac & cheese sandwich nor "The Porknado", as the drive home is over an hour and that could get ugly), and was pleasantly surprised to find D. Underwood pitching in a rehab start. He looked good -- although, to be fair, these are low-A hitters -- fastball consistently at 94-95 (if the SB scoreboard is to be believed -- several pitches were clocked in the 30s...) and with good location.

    billybucks 6 hours 43 min ago view
  • he gains nothing, no advantage, no saving of resources, nothing...there is not a cost/benefit tradeoff...him letting the running game go on around him for others to control isn't gaining him an advantage elsewhere. it's putting him at a disadvantage even if it's not cashed in with a run.

    crunch 9 hours 23 min ago view
  • And out of respect for the rest of TCR, I'm done on this. I'm sure I'm not the only one in the other camp, but time to let it go. (Until the next Lester start. I kid.)

    #baseballtalk

    Tito 9 hours 26 min ago view
  • He is putting himself at a disadvanage. But how much of one relative to the rest of his game? He's not Justin Germano -- he's inarguably one of the best SPs in baseball, issue or not. It would be more of thing to discuss ad nauseum if it constantly caused him to give up runs and lose games. But it doesn't.

    #baseballtalk

    Tito 9 hours 36 min ago view
  • shouting down my points about lester with "well, it didn't hurt" is like saying it doesn't matter if a guy starts out walking 3 guys every inning as long it's followed by a K and a double play.

    it's like elevating ERA and wins to a high level while ignoring what it took to get there.

    crunch 9 hours 42 min ago view
  • I'm asking how much it has hurt Lester and the Cubs this year. Do you have that answer?

    I legitimately don't recall you answering that quesion, apart from the condescending silliness you just posted. So if you did answer specifically about the impact of Lester's issue, I'd like to re-read it. Thanks.

    #baseballtalk

    Tito 9 hours 55 min ago view
  • if runner = on base and pitcher = j.lester then lead = large

    if lead = large then probability of extra base on following hit > average of mean

    okay, enough of that silliness...

    ...you can read more on the thread i copy/pasted this from the last time you decided you needed to talk to me about me.

    crunch 10 hours 1 min ago view
  • Thank you for your answer.

    #baseballtalk

    Tito 10 hours 5 min ago view
  • bless your heart.

    crunch 10 hours 6 min ago view
  • I don't recall you answering my question about quantifying how it has hurt Lester and the Cubs this season, apart from one guy scoring on a sac fly. Can you direct me to your answer? Thanks.

    #baseballtalk

    Tito 10 hours 11 min ago view
  • Lester's personal catcher has an .809 OPS.

    #baseballtalk

    Tito 10 hours 14 min ago view
  • we already has this asinine discussion. you didn't like the answer. there's already an answer above you can apply about how a guy goes from 1st base to home on a sac fly that included him stealing 3rd while lester watched from the mound. the fact that the cubs bats, 100% independent of that situation, scored some runs invalidates it as an issue to you. i find that stupid. we will not get anywhere with this. you know we will not get anywhere with this...because we already had this asinine discussion.

    #circularlogic

    crunch 10 hours 15 min ago view
  • it's not about SB...it never was.

    jake arrieta being slow to the plate isn't comparable to jon lester not throwing to any base. how the runners read off arrieta isn't anything similar to what a runner is reading off lester.

    maybe arrieta could use a personal catcher solely to control his running game...but i doubt it's that important.

    crunch 10 hours 19 min ago view