Game 86 Thread / Cubs @ Giants (4 of 4)

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SP Sean Gallagher SP Tim Lincecum
  3-3, 4.36, 47 K, 20 BB, 53.2 IP
9-1, 2.38, 114 K, 43 BB, 109.2
       
LF Reed Johnson LF *Fred Lewis
RF *Kosuke Fukudome 2B #Ray Durham
1B Derrek Lee RF #Randy Winn
3B Aramis Ramirez C Bengie Molina
CF *Jim Edmonds CF Aaron Rowand
C Geovany Soto 1B *John Bowker
2B Mark DeRosa 3B Jose Castillo
SS Ryan Theriot SS #Omar Vizquel
P Sean Gallagher P Tim Lincecum

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

In roster moves, Reed Johnson was activated today with Eric Patterson getting sent down. Matt Murton thanks you Eric Patterson for your defensive ineptitude. Proud papa Aramis Ramirez is back in the lineup as well.

As for the game, the Cubs will try to derail Tim Lincecum's bid to start the All-Star game, while Sean Gallagher tries to stay in the starting rotation with Carlos Zambrano due back tomorrow. A look at their photos on cubs.com makes me think I'm looking at the Baby Looney Tunes version of what should be the actual pitching matchup.

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Go Cubs! (obligatory text to get the image to not overlap everything)

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thanks to their awful bullpen. It is nice to know were not going to lose a game to them today, because they get to feast on the underbelly of a bad Pittsburgh staff why we are dealing with the Cards.

D-Backs score 6 in the 9th to beat the Brewers 6-5 - Torres takes the loss.

This gets the scrappy award for the week. That was some gritty baseball played by the D-Backs. Congrats to them. Of course it doesn't hurt anything that it was against the Brewers. I blame Mike Maddux.

I stopped looking at the Brewers score in the 8th. oops.
They need to go away. If this is a two team race I can deal, especially when the loser seems destined for the wildcard. A 3 team race mucks everything up.

Its crazy that, entering play today, the three best records in the majors were in the central. Who knew?

And I have to say that I my man-crush on DeRosa is exploding as of late. Love the way he plays the game, hits the ball, plays all over the field. Can the guy pitch?

the three best records in the majors were in the central.

Huh?

Rays, White Sox, Angels, and Red Sox all have better records than the Cardinals or the Brewers. And the Ray have a better record than the Cubs.

Maybe you meant in the National League? Because the Cubs, Cards, and Brewers have the top 3 records in the NL, though the Brewers are tied with the Phillies.

it's amazing how much better this lineup looks (By name and reuptation) than the last 3 days.

for the record, this lineup sucks.

Well, this went to shit quickly...

A half-inning of Gallagher throwing BP and dashes of Cubbery add up to a steep hill to climb against the SI cover boy.

the brewer bullpen explosion reminds me of the game last year that Dempster/Eyre imploded against the Mets (blowing a 5-1 lead). Wasn't a blown save but it might have been the single most relevant reason Lou wanted to move Dempster out of the closing role.

5/17/07

http://chicago.cubs.mlb.com/news/wrap.jsp?ymd=2007...

WTF is wrong with Marmol?

My god, Marmol just looked lost out there - that pitch was absolutely crushed, a belt - high meatball serving. Something's not right with his head, his stuff looked fine at the beginning.

I think he may be done.

Marmol 'done' why would you think that? Maybe he's going to be ineffective for a while, but like career over done? The kid is only 25 years old.

He's painful to watch lately. No command. Lost out there
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I'm worried.

last ten appearances, 7.2 innings pitched

10 earned runs on only five hits
8 walks
3 hit batters
3 home runs
2 yanks after getting nobody out

Perhaps Marmol should join Rich Hill in AZ.

This is ridiculous -- can't ever remember a guy going from lights out to a total disaster so fast.

So, the bullpen is now Howry and Wood? Yikes.

LET'S GO METS!!

- Bummer for Gallagher -- only gave up 4 hits, but they were all in the same inning.

- Why replace Ascanio with Marmol? Odd move.

- Is the plan to have Soto catch every game for the rest of the year?

- Why replace Ascanio with Marmol? Odd move.

Maybe a bigger is why take Gallagher out after just 74 pitches?

As for Marmol... he has developed a rep for putting out fires, so that situation is exactly what Marmol is in the bullpen for.

If this were pre-Tampa meltdown, I agree. Since then, not so much. This makes HRs in 3 straight outings.

Maybe Marmol can be the next Ankiel.

Sure... but I think that, right or wrong, Lou still sees Marmol as the man to put out fires.

Marmol should not have been out there. It makes no sense to put in a guy who is struggling the way Marmol is into a a guy on 1st and 3rd no out and down by a run in the 7th sitaution.

I don't necessarily disagree... I was just answering the question about why he was in there.

I think Lou still trusts him.

Regarding Gallagher's pitch count:

"Piniella said he took Sean Gallagher out after five innings Thursday so he could be used in the bullpen, though he didn't say Gallagher would replace Marmol as a set-up man."

http://chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sports/bas...

That makes no sense. I doubt after throwing 74 pitches his arm could be rested enough to pitch in the STL series. The next game after the cardinals series is on Tuesday which would be the normal 4-days rest that a SP usually gets for Gallagher.

The earliest he could be in the pen is Sunday, which would be his throw day.

I guess he could make like a 10 pitch appearance on Saturday, but I don't see why somebody like him would be needed in such a situation.

Mets up 9-0 -- LaRussa leaving Boggs in to take the beating. One way to save your bullpen, I guess.

Update on Superman -- Jay Bruce down to .286 (although he did go yard twice yesterday).

For the first time all season I'm starting to wonder a little. We really don't have any kind of a bullpen without Marmol at his best. I had already considered him 'cured' in the Baltimore series but these are 3 psychologically bad outings in a row.

If we can just take one in St. Louis, it won't be a disaster and we'd still be in first, with 6 home games with the Reds and Giants coming up.

Somebody take Cain and Lincecum out to Rush Street when the Giants come to town.

Hey, it worked for Pie and The Farns.

Good thing the Brewers blew today's game.

The have played 9 more road games than home, and tomorrow start a 10-game homestand against the Pirates, Rockies and Reds.

Uh-oh.

Gallagher pitched pretty well... again.

Even in his bad inning, he didn't get hit that hard other than Lewis' triple.

Oh... and ESPN is reporting that the Indians are scouting the Brewers AA team in connection to a possibly Sabathia trade...

The Brewers and the Rays are the teams that actually have alot to give for Sabathia. If Hendry was somehow able to pull that off it would be complete thievery. Sure the Brewers upgrade Sabathia over McClung, but they still have the same bullpen issues that they had last year, I'd go more after Fuentes or other relievers than Sabathia.

Sabathia and Prince on the same team?

The pre-game meal would be a sight to behold.

Well I heard they are going to trade for Alexi Ramirez and David Eckstein to save some some food for Prince and CC.

Mets now up 11-0 --- and Boggs is still pitching.

What did this kid do to piss off LaRussa?

Its Larussa's mo to get as many IP out of his SP in this type of situation. Marquis had to do it a couple of times in 06 and I agree with the logic behind it. Why burn up your pen in a game you know you lost when your facing your big struggling 1st place rival this weekend and can with a sweep take over 1st place.

lou shortened gallagher because he over extended his pitch
count last start

If Melvin's willing to offer LaPorta plus Alcides Escobar, that might be a done deal. Dunno if he'd do that, though.

If that ends up being Melvin's offer, I don't know if the Cubs can match that with 7 or 8 players.

A quick side note... Brewers beat writer Tom Haudricourt has a new post up saying the Brewers would never offer both.

"By the way, I have it on good authority the Brewers would never send LaPorta AND shortstop Alcides Escobar to the Indians for Sabathia."

http://blogs.jsonline.com/brewers/archive/2008/07/...

You can argue the stupidity of the trade either way. I think the Brewers should be apprehensive to trade LaPorta considering they're almost certain to lose Scott Boras client P.Fielder in 2 years. Although I suppose they could groom Mat Gamel as a 1B since he's Ryan Braun redux defensively at 3B. Then from the other side you can argue it's one giant push for a title and with them in all likelyhood losing Sheets and Sabathia and getting 5 Supplemental picks in the '09 draft. Or possibly 6 if Gagne can turn his season around so they could reload rather quickly. Either way, and even with Sabathia the Brewers free swinging offense can either light it up or easily go 2007 Cubs vs Dbacks non-existent so even with Sabathia I don't see them as a lock to usurp the Cubs even if Hendry does nothing at the deadline. However, it could lead to Hendry overpaying for Burnett or Harden. If Sabathia comes to the Brewers, I see Burnett in Cubbie blue. Reportedly JP is itching for a ML ready SS and I think we have one of those to spare.

I was at the game today and they just seemed off. From Soto dropping a routine pop fly in the infield to Edmonds taking a horrible path to Lewis' triple to Marmol continuing to look lost, the Cubs just seemed as if they had already departed to St. Louis. Gallagher looked great, however. The inning he struggled was not as bad as it looked. DLee could have easily stabbed Rowand's hard hit liner and the only other hard hit ball was Freddie Lewis' triple. Two hard hit balls (and one that could have been an out) is not deserving of four runs.

Why Lou took Gallagher out before the 6th, when the pitchers spot was due up first in the 7th for the Cubs is a mystery to me. How the game would have been different if Gallagher would have shut them down in the 6th and then Wuertz in the 7th (as he did in the 6th).

Hopefully St. Louis is better.

So, the Cubs have won 3 of their last 7?

Formerly reliable players stumbling?

Rivals looking more tenacious? Looking to improve their rosters?

Time to start dreaming of next year?

I hate Chicken-Littling, but it's in my blood. I cannot deny who I am.

*cracks open some Ripple*

*ripples open some crack*

Yea, this C.C. to the Brewers crap is really not cool....

Jeffy was hitting 234/287/374 this year. He's headed to the AA Mississippi Braves until at least the All-Star Break.

OK, say the Brewcrew gets CC - I don't think that shifts the balance of power definitely, and their BP still sucks (much worse tha ours, even at this moment). I still like our chances, and the season's not even half over. Many things can transpire over the next few months, let's try to keep it all in perspective.

Peoria has won ten in a row.

Jay Jackson started Thursday, pitched well.

Iowa has won 8 of last 9. McGehee with 62 RBI.

had a two-week contract with Iowa.

http://www.desmoinesregister.com/apps/pbcs.dll/art...

Also, I-Cubs pitchers J.R. Mathes and Mike Burns have been named to the Pacific Coast League All-Star team.
Just two Iowa Cubs picked.

"Peoria has won ten in a row."

Man, our farm system sucks. After all, it's only about W/L records, no?

Marmol tipping his pitches?

http://www.suntimes.com/sports/baseball/cubs/10397...

Funny how something like that travels around both leagues but Rothschild doesn't catch on. (Not a big fan of his.)

Me neither and I'll tell you why. Len & Bob dropped this anecdote about Ryan Dempster the other day. Dempster said he started listening to everything Greg Maddux told him after Maddog showed him how to analyze and learn things from watching video. Dempster said he had no idea what he was looking at before then. It was just tv.

Now isn't that what you'd expect your pitching coach, or someone else in the system to be teaching to your pitching staff?

Greg Maddux for pitching coach.

"Funny how something like that travels around both leagues but Rothschild doesn't catch on."

funny how the article mentions neither.

it mentions lou wondered aloud if he was tipping.

it definately doesnt mention if he is tipping...and it sure as hell doesn't mention others knowing...much less 2 leagues.

where did this crap come from?

That crap came from 100 years of paranoid worry based on misinformation.

Reds SP Adam Harang will miss his saturday start because of forearm soreness. I wonder if he'll be ready for his next start which should be Thursday vs the Cubs at Wrigley.

Norris Hopper gets Tommy John surgery

Joe Borowski again on the scrap heap...gets DFA from the Indians after pooching a game this week vs WSux.
Carlos, can you get him a job in the Mexican league again?

I don't get it. Joe Borowski who last pitched for the Cubs in early 2005 is relevant today, but the Nolasco, Pinto & Mitre trade is not.

yeesh!

dont think anyone cares about pinto and mitre...esp. when mitre was being traded in a position where he couldnt be sent down without being exposed to waivers.

its 3 years later and nolasco, the gem of the trade, is finally paying off for them.

hendry got his 200 hit, in scoring position 100-ish times a year, leadoff speedster...florida got a nice pitching package.

think everyone would like to have nolasco back, though.

http://www.southtownstar.com/sports/1039754,070408...

Could be problematic for Z to get a win with that low a pitch count.

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  • bless your heart. *pinches cheeks*

    crunch 4 hours 17 min ago view
  • real shame I missed this week's episode of The Crunch Reporter.

    It's highly unusual.

    It does matter a little.

    It matters much less than you think.

     

     

    Rob G. 4 hours 19 min ago view
  • four winds field is awesome. it's crazy how minor league parks have "grown up" since the 80s/90s and that park was one of the late-80s models that showed a low-capacity ballpark could look like you're at something other than a highschool baseball game.

    crunch 5 hours 25 min ago view
  • On another topic....I returned to South Bend last night for the 2nd time this season (still haven't tried either the deep-fried mac & cheese sandwich nor "The Porknado", as the drive home is over an hour and that could get ugly), and was pleasantly surprised to find D. Underwood pitching in a rehab start. He looked good -- although, to be fair, these are low-A hitters -- fastball consistently at 94-95 (if the SB scoreboard is to be believed -- several pitches were clocked in the 30s...) and with good location.

    billybucks 6 hours 33 min ago view
  • he gains nothing, no advantage, no saving of resources, nothing...there is not a cost/benefit tradeoff...him letting the running game go on around him for others to control isn't gaining him an advantage elsewhere. it's putting him at a disadvantage even if it's not cashed in with a run.

    crunch 9 hours 13 min ago view
  • And out of respect for the rest of TCR, I'm done on this. I'm sure I'm not the only one in the other camp, but time to let it go. (Until the next Lester start. I kid.)

    #baseballtalk

    Tito 9 hours 16 min ago view
  • He is putting himself at a disadvanage. But how much of one relative to the rest of his game? He's not Justin Germano -- he's inarguably one of the best SPs in baseball, issue or not. It would be more of thing to discuss ad nauseum if it constantly caused him to give up runs and lose games. But it doesn't.

    #baseballtalk

    Tito 9 hours 26 min ago view
  • shouting down my points about lester with "well, it didn't hurt" is like saying it doesn't matter if a guy starts out walking 3 guys every inning as long it's followed by a K and a double play.

    it's like elevating ERA and wins to a high level while ignoring what it took to get there.

    crunch 9 hours 32 min ago view
  • I'm asking how much it has hurt Lester and the Cubs this year. Do you have that answer?

    I legitimately don't recall you answering that quesion, apart from the condescending silliness you just posted. So if you did answer specifically about the impact of Lester's issue, I'd like to re-read it. Thanks.

    #baseballtalk

    Tito 9 hours 45 min ago view
  • if runner = on base and pitcher = j.lester then lead = large

    if lead = large then probability of extra base on following hit > average of mean

    okay, enough of that silliness...

    ...you can read more on the thread i copy/pasted this from the last time you decided you needed to talk to me about me.

    crunch 9 hours 52 min ago view
  • Thank you for your answer.

    #baseballtalk

    Tito 9 hours 55 min ago view
  • bless your heart.

    crunch 9 hours 56 min ago view
  • I don't recall you answering my question about quantifying how it has hurt Lester and the Cubs this season, apart from one guy scoring on a sac fly. Can you direct me to your answer? Thanks.

    #baseballtalk

    Tito 10 hours 1 min ago view
  • Lester's personal catcher has an .809 OPS.

    #baseballtalk

    Tito 10 hours 4 min ago view
  • we already has this asinine discussion. you didn't like the answer. there's already an answer above you can apply about how a guy goes from 1st base to home on a sac fly that included him stealing 3rd while lester watched from the mound. the fact that the cubs bats, 100% independent of that situation, scored some runs invalidates it as an issue to you. i find that stupid. we will not get anywhere with this. you know we will not get anywhere with this...because we already had this asinine discussion.

    #circularlogic

    crunch 10 hours 6 min ago view
  • it's not about SB...it never was.

    jake arrieta being slow to the plate isn't comparable to jon lester not throwing to any base. how the runners read off arrieta isn't anything similar to what a runner is reading off lester.

    maybe arrieta could use a personal catcher solely to control his running game...but i doubt it's that important.

    crunch 10 hours 9 min ago view