Cubs Release 2003 #1 Draft Pick

The Cubs have released 2003 #1 draft pick OF Ryan Harvey.

The 24-year old Harvey had one of the top two or three RF arms in the organization and awesome power (he hit four home runs for Daytona in one game a couple of years ago), but he just was not a good hitter (he is a first-ball fastball hacker--247/298/448 with 83 HR and 539 strikeouts in 471 career minor league games), and he suffered from nagging injuries (knee, hamstring, back, etc) throughout his career,

Harvey's release comes almost exactly a year after the Cubs released Harvey's one-time HS teammate and fellow slugger 1B Brian Dopirak (Cubs #2 pick in 2002). Dopirak signed a minor league contract with the Toronto Blue Jays after he got released and spent most of the 2008 season playing in hometown Dunedin, FL. B-Dope then re-signed with the Blue Jays (he was a minor league free-agent post-2008) and got an NRI to ST with the Jays this Spring as part of the deal (although he has been returned to Tornoto's minor league camp) 

So I wouldn't be surprised if Harvey follows Dopirak to the Blue Jays organization, even if it means he has to go back to the Florida State League again (where he would play for his hometown team) in 2009, although the Jays would probably agree to give him a shot in AA first.  

Harvey's release is definitely not a surprise. He will be a minor league free-agent after this season, and was just not progressing fast enough to think that he would be a candidate to get added to the Cubs 40-man roster post-2009. So cutting him now is probably just the best thing for everybody, especially for Harve. .

Harvey was a combination RF-RHP in HS, and I had thought (and have written here at TCR) that he might be converted to pitcher at some point with the Cubs when he continually struggled as a hitter, but while the Cubs have converted more than a dozen postion players to pitcher over the past couple of years (and no organization converts position players to pitcher to the extent that the Cubs do), they never do it unless the player agrees to the move. So I think it's pretty likely that the Cubs asked Harvey to consider a move to pitcher, but he declined.  

 

Comments

Shame to see a #1 pick succeed so little, especially an outfielder. Maybe he can rebound somewhere else.

Here's hoping for better things from Vitters, Cashner and our future picks.

Yet another total waste of a high draft pick by former Cubs scouting director John Stockstill. Had Rick Wilken been the draft czar we wouldn't have wasted picks on guys like Harvey, Dopirak, Luis Montanez, the list goes on...

Tim Wilken

meh...

Oh and we might as well add LHP Mark Pawelek to that pile too. He's made zero progress since we drafted *him* with a number one pick.

I wouldn't write him off quite yet. He's still pretty young, and I believe AZ Phil had some encouraging words about him moving forward, as a possible reliever IIRC.

But I agree, our drafts have sucked.

Harvey at # 6, Markakis at # 7?!!

That hurts.

1991 Draft...with the 12th pick, the Cubs selected Doug Glanville, with the 13th pick...the Indians selected Manny Ramirez.

Eh, we also drafted Drew Hall ahead of Greg Maddux. In what round did we pick Mark Grace?  Where did Mike Piazza go?  Scoutin' ain't easy....  :)

Hey bub, I'm going to go ahead and play my Drafting Hindsight game where I always win...you don't have to play along.

Heh, I understand.  I just have to play my "hindsight is 20-20, aren't I the wise and judicous one" game, where I always win. :)

Don't forget that the Cubs drafted and failed to sign Tim Lincecum back several years ago... That gets a big DOH! in my book...

those situations don't bother me at all, organizations take flyers on a lot of these guys late in the draft that have made it clear they're not going to sign. Indians drafted Lincecum in the 42nd round in 2005 as well. Prior was selected by the Yankees out of high school and so on and so on.

Sometimes you can convince them to sign and that's why they draft them, but teams aren't working on an unlimited budget. Hell, Yankees couldn't even sign Gerritt Cole last year.

And Micah Owings in 2004, although that one isn't so much of a loss. He may turn into a very good pitcher, though.

I believe Carlos Quentin and a number of other big leaguers were also drafted later in that first round.

That was a talent-potent draft, and the Cubs skillfully managed to avoid all of it.

http://www.thebaseballcube.com/draft/2003/June-Reg...

it's one thing if a guy gets drafted at the end of the first round, it's another when you're 3-5 picks away from missing a guy. In this case of 2003, if the Cubs had the mentality of taking college hitters over HS athletes, they would have made the right pick.

Kind of like Wieters vs. Vitters...

In 2000, the Cubs took Montanez with the #3 pick, Utley went #15 out of UCLA.
Of course, I just mentioned Glanville vs. Manny and in that case they did take the college hitter over the HS player. So it's hardly an exact science...

That does hurt, because if the picks were reversed, Harvey would be productive player for the Orioles, while the Cubs would have coached Markakis into mediocrity.

That idiot Stockstill drafted SEAN MARSHALL in 2003.

just sayin...

stopped watches being right twice a day (he also drafted Jake Fox in 2003)

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Wilken would have drafted Marshall #1...no doubt

well at least we have Veal, Pawelek, Colvin, Huseby, Vitters , and Cashner knocking on the doorsteps of Wrigley!

I'd trade all of them for Wieters at this point.

Yes, let's trade all our prospects for one player who plays a position we won't need filled for a long time.

Under Hendry (pre-Wilken) the Cubs have been pretty good at drafting pitchers, not so good with position players. This is better than before, when they sucked at both. BTW, Rick Wilkins had a pretty nice year back in '93.

The cubs seem to have improved in Latin America at least.

And we are finally getting into Asia.

Can the system develop these raw kids?

"Can the system develop these raw kids?"

I dunno. One thing AZ Phil has been pointing out lately is that the Cubs have a my way or highway approach. I've read some interesting stuff about this Lee kid (SS from Korea, although, almost the entire Korean WBC team, who he did not, I don't believe, play for, was named Lee).

In what language was that final sentence?

It was in Commaish, the native tongue of Commaland. And yeah Korea had a lot of Lee. One game featured a starting lineup of Lee, Lee, Lee, Kim, Kim, Park, Park, Choo, and some other guy. With a Bong on the mound!

the cubs muffed on signing draft choice Khalil Greene (14th round, 2001 draft), aka the current cardinal ss

Oh, nevermind. Nobody cares... Well maybe Alex S. Gonzalez cares.

Muff. Heh.

Todd Walker has been indicted inducted into the College Baseball Hall of Fame.

http://www.lsusports.net/ViewArticle.dbml?DB_OEM_I...

ah...back when he used to be able to move his knees enough to field.

Toddie W wasn't the only former Cub on that list. Did you see that Rafe-roid, along with "Zonk" Moreland and Joe Carter are also headed to the College HOF. Congrats to all of them, and I guess Rafe's "roids" did pay off for him in some way.

I doubt Raffy was into the roids in College. Probably somewhere closer to 93 before he spiked up.

mlb network has posted their Thurdsay night baseball schedule for April and part of May

the Cubs at Stl, May 21st is on the schedule but announcers to be determined

http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20090325&c...

Here's to hoping its not Joe Morgan.

here's hoping it's not Bryant Gumbel...

If Tyler Colvin would have been a good pick, we wouldn't have needed Milton Bradley...

That said, we're doing better than the 70's and 80's at producing major leaguers. I have made a count, but it seems that way...

Let's count the number of Cubs number one picks since 1995 that have gone on to star in the Major Leagues on one hand...Kerry Wood and whom?

Bobby Brownlie?

Johann's mom?

Mark Prior starred at least in 2003. If one year counts as "starring".

Even though that 2003 Draft will always be frustrating for the promise of Prior that never quite was, it was still a productive draft for the Cubs. It gave us Soto and Theriot as well as Mitre and Nolasco (who we politely sent to the Marlins in the interest of fairness and a level playing field.)

Mark Prior was selected in the first round, second overall, by the Cubs in the 2001 draft, not the 2003 draft. Just saying.

I hear that there are noticeably less players in minor league camp now with more players cut today. They must be close to figuring out team assignments with only 11 days until camp breaks up.

I'm still waitin' on Earl Cunningham, Ty Griffin and Lance Dickson.

...sob.....

the shawon-0-meter?

I guess when its all said and done, it doesn't matter if the #1 pick works out or not. What matters is how the system is producing. Soto is an example, so is Z, Shark and the previously mentioned Marshall.

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  • Oh yeah! It just felt like one for some reason.

    Old and Blue 2 min 20 sec ago view
  • Agreed. I was not including Fowler or Heyward.

    I'm just not a fan of 2016 Coghlan.....

    Dusty Baylor 8 min 57 sec ago view
  • @Dusty Contreras if it's a Lester or Arrieta start. TLS is good PH too. You also forgot about Heyward, assume Fowler is CF.

    chitownmvp01 10 min 12 sec ago view
  • I expect Soler to get optioned as well when activated and Cahill to replace Grimm. It wouldn't surprise me if Coghlan and/or Soler is included in a trade.

    Maybe Coghlan is up to see if he can get on track before someone acquires him.

    This move could also be to assure that we have as much OF depth as possible to maximize Joe's ability to rest players in September once we've clinched.

    chitownmvp01 12 min 22 sec ago view
  • Maddon basically said as much...Fowler still kind of sore, they're being proactive, etc.

    Tito 14 min 36 sec ago view
  • La Stella at 2B...Baez at 3B, or vice versa. Zobrist in RF, Bryant in LF No one gets bumped.

    Dusty Baylor 22 min 53 sec ago view
  • If Coghlan is leading off, I assume Fowler is getting the day off. Who is supposed to lead off, then? Someone has to get on base for Bryant and Rizzo. Coghlan's OBP is .346 with the Cubs. Jackson's was .304. LaStella can lead off, but then he has to play second or third, and bump Zobrist or Baez.

    Unless he gets hot, Coghlan will likely change places with Soler soon.

    VirginiaPhil 24 min 28 sec ago view
  • I suspect the Cubs asked Chris Coghlan if he would accept an Optional Assignment to the minors and he refused (Coghlan has one minor league option left), so either you keep LaStella on the 25 and release Coghlan, or option LaStella to AAA for about a month and have both LaStella and Coghlan available in September-October. (As an Article XIX-A player, Coghlan must give his permission before he can be optioned to the minors, while LaStella has not accrued enough MLB Service Time to refuse an optional assignment).

    Arizona Phil 45 min 22 sec ago view
  • Given today's lineup -- maybe they just wanted an extra OF to give Dexter a few days off (i.e. day game after a night game).

    billybucks 47 min 32 sec ago view
  • Tommy LaStella has three minor leaue options left so it's no big deal to send him to Iowa, but as of right now he projects to be at 2+124 MLB Service Time by the end of the of the 2016 MLB regular season, which will place him "on the bubble" as far as being eligible for salary arbitration as a "Super Two" post-2016.

    But if he spends at least twenty days on optional assignment this season (anything less than twenty days and he will accrue a full season of MLB Service Time), he will not have enough MLB Service Time to have a chance to be a "Super Two."

    Arizona Phil 58 min 50 sec ago view
  • this will be his 4th time leading off for the cubs this season...WITH A .500 OB%! HAIL MADDON! THE PLAN (c)2016! HE HAS RISEN! #YOLO #SWAG! KONY 2012!

    crunch 1 hour 6 min ago view
  • I don't hate Coghlan as a PHer but he's leading off today which is as bad as Austin Jackson doing so last year. He doesn't even have the speed.

    johann 1 hour 55 min ago view
  • TLS has options. He will be up again in Sept, and maybe earlier.

    Rob Richardson 2 hours 6 min ago view
  • Very odd -- TLS .308/.419 in July (in 26 AB). Strange move for a team struggling to score runs. Hard to imagine Coghlan doing better than that. Maybe they like Coghlan better as a PH?

    billybucks 2 hours 16 min ago view
  • Sorry to nitpick -- but the first game wasn't a save.

    billybucks 2 hours 31 min ago view
  • Wow La Stella sent to Iowa and Coghlan brought up. I'm not a huge Stella fan but he has been hitting lately and is to me better than Coghlan. Neither are good defensively but I guess Coghlan can play the outfield allowing Bryant to stay at 3rd more where he's better.

    johann 2 hours 32 min ago view