Cubs to Sign First Round Pick Andrew Cashner
Arizona Phil has been all over the Cubs signings, but I did want to mention that the big fish of the draft, first-round pick(19th overall) Andrew Cashner will sign this week with the Cubs. The contract details:
As part of his contract with Chicago, Cashner will receive a signing bonus of $1.54 million. He’ll also receive $75,000 that will go toward finishing school, plus bonuses that will coincide with promotions. Moreover, Cashner will receive an invitation to big league spring training in 2009.
He should be in Arizona by next week and likely to Boise soon after. The Cubs have signed all but one of their first 27 picks, that one being 10th round pick RHP Alex Wilson out of Texas A&M.










#1 Re: Cubs to Sign First Round Pick Andrew Cashner
Kind of funny read your mention:
"The Cubs have signed all but one of their first 27 picks, that one being 10th round pick RHP Alex Wilson out of Texas A&M."
Juxtaposed with this from the same article:
"“We’ve pretty much signed everyone we wanted to,” Chicago Scouting Director Tim Wilken said."
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#2 Re: Cubs to Sign First Round Pick Andrew Cashner
#3 Re: Cubs to Sign First Round Pick Andrew Cashner
Or a bizarre negotiation tactic.
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#4 Re: I read that quote as "Alex Wilson is asking for too much
Maybe Teflon Wilken is fucked not Wilson. Before Alex Wilson had Tommy John surgery he projected as a #1 or #2 round pick. He was throwing 95-96 in early June ten months out after surgery and let it be known before the draft he probably wouldn't sign.
He'll be a senior next year. A healthy season and his stock rises dramatically. Makes sense.
#5 Re: I read that quote as "Alex Wilson is asking for too much
How has Wilken earned "Teflon Wilken" from you? He's had the gig for a year for fuck's sake.
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#9 Re: I read that quote as "Alex Wilson is asking for too much
#18 Re: I read that quote as "Alex Wilson is asking for too much
OK, my bad. He is three years in, instead of one. Hardly enough to have the "Teflon" moniker after three drafts, imo. This last draft happened 30 days ago - effectively, it really is TWO years of drafts - so he deserves "Teflon Wilken" based on two drafts? Give the guy a break for at least five in his position.
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#35 Re:He's had the gig for a year for fuck's sake.
for fuck's sake try to keep up
one year,
FALOFL
#36 Re:He's had the gig for a year for fuck's sake.
FALOFL?
Huh?
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#41 Re:He's had the gig for a year for fuck's sake.
I love falafel.
#46 Re:He's had the gig for a year for fuck's sake.
hard being misunderstood all the time, eh?
#6 Re: I read that quote as "Alex Wilson is asking for too much
The Cubs are said to be scouting Wilson in the Cape Cod League to see if his health has returned and if he's returned to form (his strike out totals for Fulham make it seem like he's back). If they deem him worthy, I'm guessing they'll negotiate with him in early August and see if they can sign him (probably for late first round money). Wilson actually will be a junior next year (he's a draft-eligible sophomore right now), which means he has all the leverage in the world.
They used similar tactics on LHP James Russell to see if his offspeed pitch had developed enough to give him over slot money.
#7 Re: I read that quote as "Alex Wilson is asking for too much
#8 Re: Cubs to Sign First Round Pick Andrew Cashner
75,000 to finish school...he gonna get a PhD from harvard or he just planning on inflation for the year 2045 when he goes back to school to finish his last 2 years?
#11 Re: Cubs to Sign First Round Pick Andrew Cashner
Not sure how much you think college costs... but at TCU they estimate the annual costs to be about $36,500.
Now... that includes room and board (about $8,500), so without room and board it costs about $28,000 a year. You are also assuming that he has enough credits to only graduate in two full-time years, which isn't necessarily a safe assumption.
Further... if he does school part-time, it is typically more expensive per credit than it costs when you pay for a full-time semester.
When you add books, transportation costs, etc... the $75,000 seems like a relatively accurate cost.
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#13 Re: Cubs to Sign First Round Pick Andrew Cashner
yeah, i wouldn't count room/board, but yeah...luckily i live in a state where they don't treat 18 year olds like they need to mortgage their immediate lives in order to get an education from a public non-commuter college.
it was all just blah blah blah'ing anyway.
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for reference, in-state almost every UNC program college (UNC-CH, UNC-W, NCSU, etc) costs around 3-6K in tuition per year.
they can pay their profs 100s of K a year, have their buildings built, their research pimped out in proper labs, and all that stuff without sending students out in the world 100K in debt.
not that has anything to do with wilson, though...just fwiw.
#14 Re: Cubs to Sign First Round Pick Andrew Cashner
Well... TCU is not a state school, but further... many state schools are becoming quite expensive even for in-state students.
Example... at U of Illinois: $12,240 - 16,392 per year, tuition only, for in-state residents. it is $26,000-30,000 per year for out of state residents, and that is just tuition.
And hell... based on what we see from Chad, that money sure isn't worth it!!
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#16 Re: Cubs to Sign First Round Pick Andrew Cashner
yeah, some states have insane in-state tuition.
we get a good chunk of out-of-state people coming to UNC-CH/NCSU because the out-of-state tuition is as cheap (or cheaper) than their own in-state tuition. we're not even talking about "rich kids" who just want to get away from their parent's grasp in another state or kids with scholarships.
UNC-CH...that school everyone loves cuz of their basketball program... $3750 a year tuition. add on another 2-3K in fees/taxes/weirdness...(roughly 20K per year out of state, tuition only...but fees/etc. are a level playing field for in and out of state students).
it's pretty common for an in-state student to come out of the UNC system less than 20K in debt. many, like myself, barely saw few K of debt when they finished.
#10 Re: Cubs to Sign First Round Pick Andrew Cashner
"Maybe Teflon Wilken is fucked not Wilson."
It appears that all of the Cub's minor - league clubs are doing much better, at least as far as their W/L records show. Haven't you told us incessantly that their farm system was awful, primarily because of their standings? Wilken sucked according to you, all because of that one, lonely stat.
So which is it, he sucked then but still sucks now?
#12 Re: Cubs to Sign First Round Pick Andrew Cashner
Dmac... stop using logic. It gets in the way of asinine assertions and opinions.
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#34 Re: It gets in the way of asinine assertions and opinions.
Please link to an assertion of yours that wasn't assinine.
#37 Re: It gets in the way of asinine assertions and opinions.
Please link to an assertion of yours that wasn't assinine [sic].
Well... being that I do not know what "assinine" means, that may be a little difficult.
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#60 Re: It gets in the way of asinine assertions and opinions.
Hmm... still trying to find the definition of "assinine" so that I can link to something that isn't it.
Can you help me out here with a definition?
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#64 Re: It gets in the way of asinine assertions and opinions.
Here is a link to an asinine definition.
pretty funny actually when you consider the context in the previous comments.
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#68 Re: It gets in the way of asinine assertions and opinions.
I know what "asinine" means... but I still do not know what "assinine" means.
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#33 Re: Haven't you told us incessantly that their farm system
was awful, primarily because of their standings
nope
Some yahoos here like to put words in people's mouths, shoot paper tigers and burn straw men. Apparently one would be you.
So which is it, he sucked then but still sucks now?
"Teflon" Wilken refers to the fact that NO CRITICISM
is allowed to stick. As if he's beyond criticism even when Cleveland has no interest in any of his picks.
#38 Re: Haven't you told us incessantly that their farm system
"Teflon" Wilken refers to the fact that NO CRITICISM
is allowed to stick.
Thanks... we didn't know what it means when people refer to "teflon."
Thanks for enlightening us!
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#47 Re: Haven't you told us incessantly that their farm system
actually, you did imply that a whole lot.
we asked you for backup...you gave win/loss records. we asked you to back it up you ignored it and continued to give more w/l records.
we only have what you give us.
now bitch about the word "primarily" or some other small aspect you can twist to make yourself right.
...or you can explain yourself when people ask. no, you dont have to...but it leads to the oh-so-horrible instance of someone *gasp* not understanding what the hell you're talking about besides what you actually say.
#65 Re: Haven't you told us incessantly that their farm system
by "yahoo" i see that you're referring to Rob G. whom you just accused of that in another comment.
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#70 Re: Haven't you told us incessantly that their farm system
I'm readying my departing gift for when Navigator is banned.
Oh please, oh please, oh please, oh please, oh please, oh please.
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#80 Re: Haven't you told us incessantly that their farm system
Where were you guys when I was shooting down this tired act 2 years ago?
BTW, I'm waiting for the "Bluewater Wins the Nagivator" classic, where someone provides the link showing where he contradicted himself again (usually after he complains about being misquoted), and since he can't defend the facts, he complains that someone actually took the time to provide the evidence.
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#82 Re: Haven't you told us incessantly that their farm system
we were busy trolling on the cards mvn blog, tripling their hit count.
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#98 Re: Haven't you told us incessantly that their farm system
I was watching in horror muttering "Oh! The humanity!" I remember the fight well and thought he was a troll back then as well.
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#15 Speaking of Wilken...
this is all old news, but some links and stuff I haven't read
Q&A with BP where he says the Cubs would have taken Lincecum if he was available
http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php?arti...
also says he didn't want Wade Townsend when he was with the Rays.
official press release when he signed with the Cubs which gives a rundown of his time with Toronto:
http://chicago.cubs.mlb.com/news/press_releases/pr...
he was a major part of the 2004 and 2005 Rays drafts as well:
http://www.baseball-reference.com/draft/?franch_ID...
Brignac, Neimann, McGee, Sonnastine
http://www.baseball-reference.com/draft/?franch_ID...
Hellickson and Mason were in BA's top 10 list to start the year
#19 Re: Speaking of Wilken...
"You could have sworn Kevin Appier would end up needing to get his arm Black and Decker'd (from the start), but he’s generally been healthy."
hahah!
aint that the truth. wow, almost forgot he existed.
#29 Re: Speaking of Wilken...
Thanks for the BP link, I had only read bits and pieces of it. I really wanted Lincecum that year and thought he'd fall to 13 (not trying to be some nostradamus here, I am just a big Pac10 guy who actually had seen Lincecum at UW).
#17 Re: Cubs to Sign First Round Pick Andrew Cashner
Thanks, Rob - I remember reading about Wilken's excellent reputation and above - average track record regarding prospects from his previous stints, and was overjoyed when came over to the club. So the very least everyone can do is to give the man a few years before we can even begin to judge his efforts. Those who criticize have no idea about the Cub's incredible lack of any success with their farm systems in the past, aside from a brief period when Dallas Green was running things.
#20 Re: Cubs to Sign First Round Pick Andrew Cashner
Agreed. He really has only two years under his draft belt here, as the current one only took place about a month ago.
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#40 Re: He really has only two years under his draft belt here
So what? It's not like everyone doesn't know that Wilken was damn effective in the past. But what's he done for us? Wilken is responsible for his picks, and that's it. LaPorta was drafted last year. Promoted to AA after 30 games last year. Southern League All-Star this year.
Anything remotely comparable from Wilken?
#83 Re: He really has only two years under his draft belt here
You mean LaPorta, who was drafted as a college senior, is more advanced than the 17 year old High School student the Cubs drafted the same year?
I know I'm horrified that Wilkens dared to draft a 17 year old who wasn't able to be an All-Star at Double-A less than a year after he signed a pro contract. After all the guy drafted 4 picks later did, so that must be the benchmark for all players.
And then we get a question using the words "remotely comparable"????? geesh.
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#21 Braun to Tribe?
Off topic, but did anyone else hear a rumor that Braun is the PTBNL in the Sabathia deal? WSCR reported that Steve Stone's sources told him that's the case.
So, 433 says that a radio guy said that Steve Stone said that someone told him that Braun is included. Not exactly a verified story, but has anyone else heard this?
#22 Re: Braun to Tribe?
If so, then thank you Milwaukee.
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#23 Re: Braun to Tribe?
This is just dumb.
#25 Re: Braun to Tribe?
steve stone said what? =p
#71 Re: Braun to Tribe?
Astevestone says what?
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#26 Re: Braun to Tribe?
Uh...can anyone verify this? Braun as the PTBNL would be preposterous.
#27 Re: Braun to Tribe?
#28 Re: Braun to Tribe?
That would be pretty awkward when he runs out to start LF at All Star game for NL in a Tribe uniform.
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#51 Re: Braun to Tribe?
lol
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#30 Re: Braun to Tribe?
I haven't found anything on the interwebs even discussing Braun as the PTBNL, so maybe this was just wrong or a joke something, but it was presented on WSCR's Mully/Hanley (sp?) show as seemingly legit. So for now, I'll just say "nevermind."
#39 Re: Braun to Tribe?
Melvin pointed at the presser today that the PTNBL can't be someone off the 40-man roster. So I assuming if Stone isnt talking out of his ass, he probably heard the guy who is the PTBNL was Mat Gamel who is a Braun clone, a butcher at 3b who can really hit.
#24 You stay classy, Boston
http://deadspin.com/5022550/why-red-sox-nation-why
#31 School
In other news, why are the Cubs sending Cashner to "finishing school"? Are his manners really that bad?
#32 Re: School
DAMNIT!!! I was going to make that joke!!!
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#72 Re: School
Well played, 433. Well played.
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#42 Re: Cubs to Sign First Round Pick Andrew Cashner
"But what's he done for us?"
Trollboy, your act has grown stale and tired. Nothing to offer except snark without substance - go play outside in your sandbox and fling your poo at the neighbors for a change.
#43 Re: But what's he done for us?"
((crickets))
Who knew that Teflon in front of Wilken would push the TCR Yahoo button.
Not me.
Still wondering why it's NOT SNARKY to claim our draft
pick fucked himself by possibly asking for more money than the Cubs want to pay him.
#48 Re: But what's he done for us?"
wow, then obviously you've never cross referenced your rants on this board, old boards, and other boards not even remotely related to baseball.
the fact you're on your 3rd ID on this board and your "bluewater boats" tag is on other boards kicking the same "im never wrong, why must i share this air with stupid men?" attitude...
well...
you gotta be used to this by now.
-edit-
see where i said '3rd ID on this board'...well, since TECHNICALLY this isn't the "old TCR" what i said was 100% wrong and therefore the entire statement is wrong.
the old posts and other info, while they may exist, cannot be discussed because of the technical error.
there nav...i saved you a reply about how retarded i am because you've only had 1 name on this particular board while conveniently ignoring the point.
#66 Re: But what's he done for us?"
dude, it doesn't matter what you name yourself. there's only one way to avoid an argument. when someone's calls you out, just keep quiet. the reason those guys keep ragging on you is you keep giving them the ammunition with which to shoot at you.
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#44 Re: Cubs to Sign First Round Pick Andrew Cashner
when i was litening to hanley on score today they were
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rokfish in rockford
#45 Re: Cubs to Sign First Round Pick Andrew Cashner
#49 Re: Cubs to Sign First Round Pick Andrew Cashner
I heard that CC Sabathia was the player to be named later. Something about the Brewers running out of food to feed him already.
#50 Re: Cubs to Sign First Round Pick Andrew Cashner
I believe it can be when it's a different league (as in this case). But I think it's very safe to assume it's a minor leaguer and the Indians just got a list to pick from and are scouting a few of them.
#52 Re: Cubs to Sign First Round Pick Andrew Cashner
#53 heh...
cc sabathia is 12/40 lifetime (.300/.317) with 2hr (1 this season). 12K, 1BB
#54 Re: Cubs to Sign First Round Pick Andrew Cashner
So this whole CC Sabathia thing made me do some research on the Cubs' minor league system (since I haven't read an AZ Phil post for quite some now) and I was struck by how pathetic Tyler Colvin's numbers are. Maybe AZ Phil has addressed this in another post (he probably has, he addresses everything) but I'm wondering, is the guy hurt? Did Wilken just fuck up?
My other thought was, how is it that we couldn't come up with a package to satisfy Cleveland? Is our system so bad still that we couldn't find 4 prospects or so to make a trade with? Or do you guys think that Hendry just simply made the decision that Sabathia wasn't worth giving up a lot of prospects for. After all, it seems like free agent pitchers typically don't do very well after signing big contracts (Z will go against this trend I hope). I dunno if there are stats about this, though.
Speaking of pitching, and sorry if this is 3/44, but the article on Lincecom's pitching mechanics in SI was very interesting. The writer pointed to two Cubs guys, Brownlie and (of course) Prior as two prospects who had lousy mechanics according to the former Mets pitching coach Petersen. That article made me wonder where Wilken stands on that kind of thing. One of the articles RobG pointed to in his links on Wilkin seemed to indicate an appreciation for Lincecom but I am wondering if Wilkin subscribes to this whole biomedical (or whatever the hell they called it in the article) stuff. And I'm also wondering what Dr. Hecht has to say about all that.
So many questions. I think it's all the fires here in CA. The smoke is getting to me.
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#55 Re: Cubs to Sign First Round Pick Andrew Cashner
"SAN DIEGO (AP) - Sitting at his locker in street clothes and squinting through two black eyes, San Diego Padres catcher Michael Barrett drew quite the crowd.
Greg Maddux, Monday night's starter against Florida, took a picture of Barrett with his iPhone. Ace Jake Peavy came over and offered consoling words to the injured Barrett."
stay classy mad ducks. hehe...
http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/8323236/Barrett...
#56 Re: Cubs to Sign First Round Pick Andrew Cashner
Are they sure he just didn't run into Z in a bar or something?
Seriously, I always liked Barrett when he was a Cub. Not much of a catcher, but sure seemed like a pretty nice fella.
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#69 Re: Cubs to Sign First Round Pick Andrew Cashner
My then-10-year old son and I met Barrett at the "Meet the Team" event last year -- terrific guy, very engaging with kids, lots of funny stories. Jacques Jones was great as well, by the way -- very soft spoken and polite.
I am glad they are both no longer on the team as players, but both were a pleasure to meet.
#104 Re: Cubs to Sign First Round Pick Andrew Cashner
mark prior and kerry wood walk into a bar...then they promptly go on the DL for 4-8 weeks.
#59 Re: Cubs to Sign First Round Pick Andrew Cashner
From the Scott Linebrink school of grammar:
"Just one more scar ain't going to kill me," - Barrett
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#57 Re: Cubs to Sign First Round Pick Andrew Cashner
"The game will begin at 7:05 p.m. and is believed to be the first minor league contest in the ballpark's 94-year history. "
http://chicago.cubs.mlb.com/chc/ticketing/minors_a...
Apparently, the writer of this article is not a Cubs fan.
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#62 Re: Cubs to Sign First Round Pick Andrew Cashner
You know, I must say that the Powers That Be deserve some kudos for this one. Not everyone can afford the tickets and such for a Wrigley Field experience, so it is fantastic that they are making the ballpark available for a game such as this.
I would love to see each level of the system play one game at Wrigley a year. Let the kids see what it is that they are working towards. Here is to hoping that this is not the last time that Wrigley does this.
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#63 Re: Cubs to Sign First Round Pick Andrew Cashner
hell, the kids on the team are the ones that are gonna get their minds blown.
even if some of them played in a college world series (no idea if anyone did), this will be the biggest stage most everyone on that field will ever play on in their career now or in the future.
is it televised nationally, btw?
#67 Re: Cubs to Sign First Round Pick Andrew Cashner
God I am such an idiot. I didn't even think about how cool this must be for the kids. My wife is offering me, as punishment, the new video, "Great Moments of
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#58 Re: Cubs to Sign First Round Pick Andrew Cashner
Colorado over the Brewers tonight, 4-3. W00t.
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#61 Re: Cubs to Sign First Round Pick Andrew Cashner
I love it when the Brewers lose close games.
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#73 Re: Cubs to Sign First Round Pick Andrew Cashner
Over at NSBB, they are saying Kaplan said that Huddy could be a target:
http://www.northsidebaseball.com/Forum/viewtopic.p...
It makes sense as Tex is going to bolt in the off-season and Glavine and Smoltz are likely to hang them up at the end of the year. Plus they dont have Turner's money to throw around to fill the holes and the guys they have brought up from the farm havent worked so they might want a package of near MLB ready guys. Something like 1 of Marshall/Gallagher, 1 of Veal/Russell/Atkins, Ceda, Murton would seem to work.
#74 Re: Cubs to Sign First Round Pick Andrew Cashner
Lets not forget befre tonight's game... screw Marty!
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#77 Re: Cubs to Sign First Round Pick Andrew Cashner
This lineup sucks.
#75 Re: Cubs to Sign First Round Pick Andrew Cashner
Sabathia hits menopause.
http://www.sportingnews.com/yourturn/viewtopic.php...
#78 Re: Cubs to Sign First Round Pick Andrew Cashner
That's just well done by you. It took me a couple times through the article to pick up on the reference. Very good work.
#76 Re: Cubs to Sign First Round Pick Andrew Cashner
Tim Hudson seems like a good match for both clubs. Braves may also covet Rich Hill, who pitched very effectively against the Braves last year.
#79 Another Player of the Week
#81 Re: Cubs to Sign First Round Pick Andrew Cashner
I brought up Hudson days ago and was laughed at by Rob and Dave.
FYI
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#84 Re: Cubs to Sign First Round Pick Andrew Cashner
Where? Show me where I laughed at you about Hudson.
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#86 Re: Cubs to Sign First Round Pick Andrew Cashner
It was in a live chat. Maybe you didn't. I was pretty sure you did though. I know Rob was involved.
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#87 Re: Cubs to Sign First Round Pick Andrew Cashner
I haven't been in parachat for a couple of weeks.
But as Rob said... if I was there, we were probably just laughing at you, not your idea.
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#85 Re: Cubs to Sign First Round Pick Andrew Cashner
I think it was in Parachat and we just laugh at you out of instinct.
It was more than a few days ago and the Braves were still very much in it at the time. But things are looking murkier for them, so maybe they'll consider it. But he's under contract through 2009 and the Braves really don't need to completely rebuild and with Smoltz and Glavine probably gone next year, I'm not sure why they'd want to lose another pitcher.
We shall see...
#88 Re: Cubs to Sign First Round Pick Andrew Cashner
use the reply button mister!
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#89 Re: Cubs to Sign First Round Pick Andrew Cashner
#90 Re: Cubs to Sign First Round Pick Andrew Cashner
well have that fixed then.
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#91 Re: Cubs to Sign First Round Pick Andrew Cashner
They may not need to completely rebuild, but he is $13MM of their current $102MM payroll if they're looking to dump salary. He's not the highest paid Brave, if anyone was wondering.
That award goes to Mike Hampton at $15MM. $13.5MM in 2006. $14.5MM in 2007. $15MM in 2008. Ouchkabibble. I'd give you the amount they paid him per inning over those 3 seasons, but I still haven't quite figured out that whole dividing by zero thing.
EDIT: Larry Wayne Jones also paid $15MM + 5MM bonus this season.
#92 Re: Cubs to Sign First Round Pick Andrew Cashner
Larry Wayne Jones sounds more like a country singer. Or perhaps a serial killer.
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#93 Re: Cubs to Sign First Round Pick Andrew Cashner
Is that the contract from Colorado still?
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#95 Re: Cubs to Sign First Round Pick Andrew Cashner
Yep and the Marlins are still paying for it.
#96 Re: Cubs to Sign First Round Pick Andrew Cashner
It is the 8/121 Colorado deal. The Braves took control of 100% of the contract beginning in '06. Colorado and Florida both paid the majority of his salary up until '05.
An interesting note about that deal is that if (and probably when) the Braves choose to buyout Hampton for $6MM after this year, they'll be forwarding that bill to Denver. The Rox are on the hook for the entire buyout. Either that or the Braves owe him $20MM in '09.
#97 Mike Money Pit Hampton
Remember when the Cubs tried to sign Hampton, with a reported offer around 100 million for 7 years, before he went to the Rockies? That's not dodging a bullet, more like avoiding a missile.
Hampton made his debut in 1993, and in his 17-year career he has now earned $121,575,086 from his contracts alone. This comes to $880,979 for each of his 138 career wins. He was a much better bargain early on though, and since signing his big 8-year contract prior to the 2001 season he has been paid $107,382,086 for a grand total of 53 wins, or $2,026,077.09 per major league victory. With all of the injuries it has cost the Braves and Rockies (and Marlins) $801,358.85 per game that he has even pitched in.
There are other bad contracts out there, but this was one of the worst.
#105 Re: Mike Money Pit Hampton
WISCGRAD-
I remember, McFail said he was shaking when he made the offer because it was so much money.
Remember Hampton chose Colorado not because the money but for the good public school system.
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#99 Re: Cubs to Sign First Round Pick Andrew Cashner
my contention being how much payroll do they have to lose if they're already going to lose Teix, Smoltz, Glavine and I guess possibly Hampton off the books.
Not to mention Hudson is a GA native and signed at a discount to stay there, I'm not sure there's a big motive to move him. The Cubs didn't trade Z when the Cubs were tanking in 2006 even though he was a year from free agency. Why move Hudson, unless they can definitely make their team better for 2009? I just don't see the Braves in a big rebuild mode.
#101 Re: Cubs to Sign First Round Pick Andrew Cashner
I doubt in the end they will get rid of Hudson, but they will surely entertain offers. He is 32 right now. Z was just 25 in 2006.
#102 Re: Cubs to Sign First Round Pick Andrew Cashner
maybe not the best comparision, but Hudson is going as good as ever and they'd have to pay more to get a pitcher of his quality in the FA market next offseason. Not like the Braves haven't had success sticking with pitchers past their "prime years".
#94 Re: Cubs to Sign First Round Pick Andrew Cashner
They dont have have a chance to compete in 09. They will be missing 25 HR and 80 RBI's that Tex can provide and the 30 wins you could count on from Glavine and Smoltz. They have the worst pen in baseball and to add to the misery the guys they have called up from the farm have been bad. Atlanta needs a mass influx of guys that can help them on the cheap. Just as Milwaukee was a perfect fit with Cleveland because they had a influx of power hitting corners ( Im sure the PTNBL will be one of those), we would be with Atlanta because we have an influx of guys who are MLB or should be MLB ready soon a who can be solid contributors to a club and Hendry is probably willing to do a 5 for 1 deal.
#100 Re: Cubs to Sign First Round Pick Andrew Cashner
#103 Re: Cubs to Sign First Round Pick Andrew Cashner
I was stunned when the pre season experts had Atlanta winning the division.
__________________________I hate to advocate drugs, alcohol, violence, or insanity to anyone, but they've always worked for me- hst
#106 Re: Cubs to Sign First Round Pick Andrew Cashner
#108 Re: Cubs to Sign First Round Pick Andrew Cashner
I just didn't buy that rotation.
I think everyone thought the 1995 Glavine and Smoltz would be there.
JMO
__________________________I hate to advocate drugs, alcohol, violence, or insanity to anyone, but they've always worked for me- hst
#107 Re: Cubs to Sign First Round Pick Andrew Cashner