Jim Edmonds Makes Sense of Ozzie Guillen

Cubs centerfielder Jim Edmonds, whose return to St. Louis Friday night was honored by Cardinals fans if not by Tony La Russa, shared a revelation with Gordon Wittenmyer of the Sun-Times:

Edmonds would have been traded to the White Sox this past December if he hadn't exercised his right to block such a deal.

Edmonds said he got a call from St. Louis management in the week
after the winter meetings in December...

"They
told me I was traded to the White Sox, and that I had an hour to OK it,
and I told them I needed more than that," said Edmonds, who had asked
for a trade closer to his Southern California home after being told he
didn't play a big part in the Cardinals' 2008 plans.

"I was sitting on the beach one day with my family, running around with
my son, and they told me I had an hour to decide whether I wanted to
play with the White Sox or not," he said.

It's unclear what the deal was, although the Cards were said to be interested in Juan Uribe at that time.

"I
needed more time, and they kept pushing me and pushing me," he said,
"and I said, I can't answer that question today, so obviously I guess I
can say no."

The next day he was traded, with cash, to San Diego
for infielder David Freese -- a deal he later says he was told by
Padres officials had been worked out for weeks.

It seems to me that this story could explain the reaction of White Sox pinhead manager Ozzie Guillien a couple Saturdays ago, after the Cubs had beaten the White Sox, 11-7, in the second game of their series at Wrigley and Edmonds had homered twice in a nine-run fourth inning.

Said the pinhead Guillen after the game:

"He just had a good day..I don't want to promote the
guy who's just hitting [.238 and stuff]. He just had a good day. Good
for them. I think I'd rather have him out there than [Alfonso] Soriano."

Edmonds shuns the White Sox; Guillen offers a public dig at the first opportunity. Makes perfect sense to me. In fact, I think Chicago fans have seen this movie before.

Finally, speaking of players who wore both Cubs and Cardinals colors, ClassicAthletes.com catches up with one of my favorite Cubs ever, Don Kessinger, a six-time All-Star shortstop for the team between 1964 and 1975. Kessinger was traded to the Cardinals for the eminently forgettable Mike Garman following the '75 season, eventually ending up with White Sox in 1977 and becoming their player-manager in 1979, his last year in baseball.

 

 

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That story also helps to explain LaRussa's idiotic reaction yesterday as well. I know baseball is just a game, but do grown men (who also happen to be managers) have to act like children when things don't go their way? Jeebus, go play in yer sandboxes.

Maybe I've been watching too much election '08 coverage, but I can't help but wonder how much of this is PR. I mean seriously, at odds with Ozzie... now La Russa? And let's face it, Edmonds had serious issues with some Cub fans, specifically those "once a Cardinal, always a Cardinal" types.

And when ticket sales are the reward, PR *does* matter. It's not just an afterthought.

And I must say... between his hot streak at the plate and ostensibly hating Ozzie & La Russa... For me, it's working. I consider Edmonds a Cubbie.

I think LaRussa knew that this whole thing would cause the papers in both towns to say "LaRussa LaRussa LaRussa LaRussa LaRussa LaRussa Piniella LaRussa" instead of the other way around.

A lot of it is PR, no question about it; always happens during Cubs - Cardinal/Cubs - Sox series. But the thing is - Ozzie and LaRussa have been the ones shooting their mouths off at basically nothing, while Lou's been quiet and couldn't care less about issues that have nothing to do with the play on the field. LaRussa also seems to be forgetting that not only does Edmonds still own a restaurant in St. Louis, he still has a home there as well.

In addition to the usual suspects I mentioned a couple days ago - Meche, Bedard, CC, Wolf, Burnett -

here are a couple more for discussion:

Derek Lowe - at 36, he still has a mighty sinker that would be a terrific in Wrigley. We gave Coletti Maddux - maybe he'd return the favor? FA in 2009

Livan Hernandez - I was at Game 3 against the D-Backs. 'Nuf said.

Unfortunately for the Cubs - ain't much more out there this year.

Didn't Meche say he is not interested in coming to Chicago?

Not specifically Chicago, but as far as I've read, you're correct.

This is the story I was talking about E-Man.

From June 9:

Meche staying put

Right-hander Gil Meche just laughs at those rumors circulating regarding a possible trade sending him to the Chicago Cubs.

“How’s that going to happen?” he asked.

Meche has a no-trade clause in his contract and said he hasn’t been asked to waive it. Furthermore, he has no interest in doing so.

General manager Dayton Moore declined to comment on the rumor, but club officials privately dismissed it. One said, “If we’re going to make a run at this thing in 2010, how are we going to do it without Gil Meche?”

Meche is in the second season of a five-year contract for $55 million. He has struggled for much of this season and enters tonight’s start against Texas at 3-8 with a 5.54 ERA.

http://www.kansascity.com/sports/royals/story/6568...

OH! Missed this one - thanks, LNL!

here is a trade to beat around

cedeno,patterson,and pignatello

for

a.j. burnett and d. eckstein

eckstein to back up theriot free agent next year

burnett possible free agent.

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I cant see Toronto having much interest in Patterson as they have a 2b of the future in Aaron Hill and a load of OF talent. Pignatello at this point is a 26 yr old 4 A Loogy. I imagine in a trade for Burnett the Jays would want a combination of players that fix to sure up the left side of their IF, get a cheap pitcher who can hold down the 5 spot for them next year, a righty for lefty domiant bullpen, or power hitting 1b/DH guy. I could see something like:

Cedeno/Marshall/Ascanio for Burnett

As for backup SS I would rather get Aurilla as I want a solid RHPH more than a glove man out of that spot.

Two posts about Jim Edmonds in a week!

Does anyone else think that David Weathers would be a decent pick-up, especially if Marmol continues to struggle?

I know Weathers is nothing special, but he has been pretty solid over the last few seasons and may come cheap given that he is a FA after the season.

http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/players/4718/career;_y...

To me, Dave Weathers will always be right alongside McGriff as an emblem of the 2001 debacle. Maybe it's not rational, and Ruben Quevedo certainly didn't turn out to be any great shakes, but just the sight of him bothers me.

and is reporting the feeling among scouts on teams looking at Sabathia is that he has pitched his last game in an Indians uniform and that he will be a Brewer unless the Dodgers part with Matt Kemp in a deal. Personally I think a Either/Laroche or Hu/Meloan trade would be better than a Brewers deal without 2 of Escobar/Gamel/Laporta/Weeks.

I can't believe the fucking Brewers are going to pull-in the big fish this trade season.

Hendry never quite got his priorities straight. I'd rather have a CC Sabathia than SOREiano.

Hendry never quite got his priorities straight. I'd rather have a CC Sabathia than SOREiano.

How is Soriano preventing us from getting C.C.?

This isn't about the cash, it's about the prospects.

Bitch all you want about Soriano (although I disagree), but I fail to see any connection with his signing and acquiring C.C. at the '08 trade deadline. What am I missing?

Well, that wasn't my point (I was talking about Hendry's screwed up priorities that left us with a hole in centerfield, now filled, and a need for another frontline starter if we're serious about winning the division), but do you really think we'd go to the bother of obtaining Sabathia and then not pay him? -- just let him walk? Knowing Hendry he'd want someone he could re-sign.

And if you recall, it was the glaring hole in center that prompted Lou to try Soriano out there and he injured himself. Hasn't really been the same since.

April 16, 2007
Shortly after rejecting Cubs manager Lou Piniella's offer to switch from center field to left, Alfonso Soriano was forced to leave Monday's game against the Padres with a strained left hamstring.

First, correlation does not equal causation. Second, if your quote is correct, why blame Pinella when Soriano refused to leave CF?

Sorry you didn't understand anything I said.

well CF was taken care of...pie + RH platoon/hitting mate...plans were also made giving e.patterson and cedeno CF time both last year and during the winter.

yes, YOU think pie sucks. big deal.

yes, pie wasn't up to it...yes, something was done to patch it...yes, it's not been much of a hole all year.

this isn't much of a new or unique thing for GMs to move on. hendry's made way bigger mistakes than giving a shot to a .300+ hitting AAA 23 year old and a "vet" backup. so have many GMs. what genius is supposed to move in and make every right move anyway? if you really need the best of everything money can buy there's some teams in the north-east really into that. most of the other teams have to work with payroll, and therefore talent, restrictions.

Funny... because it seems like people often don't understand what you say.

So either you are too smart for the rest of us, or you should start making sense.

Sorry you are not really clear when you write things. The only thing I consistently get from your posts is that you are negative.

Negitivator, are you Silent Towel?

The spirit that is Silent Towel left w/ Mark Prior to San Diego, but I wouldn't put it past him if he hitched back to Chicago on the back of Jimmy Edmonds.

Nah... Negitivator = CWTP. He just likes to change his name every year or two.

Ugh the priority was to improve the offense over the last couple years. Remember the lean years with top free agents and the Cubs coming up with nothing? Yeah we kinda of changed that the last 2 years getting Soriano and Fuku.

And bitch about Soriano all you want, he single handedly put us in the playoffs last year and is a big reason we are 20 games over .500 now. He is an elite impact player on offense. And this team misses his bat in the lineup a great deal.

Don't forget that the commenter also obsesses with the W/L records on the team's minor league clubs. If a club's doing poorly, then Hendry sucks. If they're doing well, so what?

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  • I'm kind of nostalgic for the Schwarber-for-Miller rumors.

    Brick 5 min 28 sec ago view
  • This offseason, after some ridiculous playoff run and Chapman saving every game from here until the end of the postseason striking out 27/9innings, I welcome anyone to quote this thread and call me a dummy: I hate this trade, and my hate is 2 parts Chapman makes this team less likeable and 1 part that's a ridiculous overpay for 30 regular season innings and, at tops, 10 postseason innings. Already hoping they don't extend him.

    Charlie 7 min 17 sec ago view
  • btw...Thanks AZ Phil. I'm really enjoying your take on this trade.

    Cubster 29 min 36 sec ago view
  • I'm a bit disappointed on the Warren experience. Essentially they gave Castro away for crickets (OK, well they signed Zobrist with the Castro salary dump). Otherwise one might look at it as Chapman for Castro and our #1 minors prospect (Torres) + McKinney/Crawford. Seems pricey for a 2 month rental. We will see if this price tag is that steep in a relative way based on the remaining deadline deals for relievers.

    Cubster 30 min 4 sec ago view
  • Yep. One of the great things about this team (in addition to being really good at baseball) was the "likable" factor. Feels a bit different now. Who knows...maybe Chapman will be the king of the dance parties.

    billybucks 38 min 53 sec ago view
  • Here are some possible corresponding minor league moves we might see in the aftermath  of the Chapman trade: 

    SOUTH BEND to MYRTLE BEACH: OF Donnie Dewees and INF Bryant Flete  

    EUGENE to SOUTH BEND: OF Robert Garcia and INF Vimael Machin 

    There is really no reason to replace Billy McKinney at Tennessee because both Chris Coghlan and Jorge Soler are doing their rehab at Tennessee.  

    And there are plenty of pitchers at Iowa. No need to replace Warren at AAA. .  

    Arizona Phil 59 min 3 sec ago view
  • I am 70 years old. The Cubs last played in the World Series in 1945. I was born in 1946. I hate to lose a prospect like Torres, but when the opportunity is there to get that World Series ring, you go for it. This was the idea in stock piling all this young talent. I would like to see Reddick added now and the Cubbies should be done.

    Hagsag 1 hour 29 min ago view
  • I would expect Richard to accept an optional assignment because based on how he's played this season, there is a decent chance that he won't find work elsewhere. Rather stay and potentially get a ring. Same goes for Coghlan since he's struggled mightily this year.

    Edwards should not go down. He's pitched very well and Maddon is very impressed with him. I would expect Grimm to go down for Cahill so he can get back on track (he's pitched better in July, but he's not getting enough appearances).

    chitownmvp01 1 hour 33 min ago view
  • chitownmvp01: Indeed Clayton Richard would seem to be odd man out once Chapman reports, but Richard might accept a minor league assignment if he is promised a return to Chicago on 9/1 when MLB Active List rosters expand (Richard has minor league ioptions left).

    Arizona Phil 1 hour 36 min ago view
  • The only player in the deal that would cause me a second thought is Gleyber Torres.

    McKinney and Crawford are decent prospects but both are redundant/replaceable in the system and Warren was really only a middle-reliever or #6 starter, so to me it's really just Torres for Chapman.

    Arizona Phil 1 hour 56 min ago view
  • There is no Comp pick for players traded mid-season. 2+ months of Chapman is it.

    mbauer 1 hour 58 min ago view
  • to get one of the best you have to give up one/some of your best...but it's a bit painful to watch the system's best prospect walk for any 2-3 month rental, especially one that's not an everyday player.

    crunch 2 hours 1 min ago view
  • I assume Chapman will replace Richard on the roster, but who goes down when Cahill gets activated? Maybe Grimm?

    And when Soler and Coghlan get healthy, how do they fit them on the roster when they're ready to be activated?

    chitownmvp01 2 hours 4 min ago view
  • We are giving up a lot, but it's not like we're trading Addison Russell for 2+ months of Jason Hammel. When impact players become available, they are going to cost you. The other bids could also have been high.

    Having Chapman as a rental is potentially less disruptive than having him come in with an extension in place. 

    CTSteve 2 hours 6 min ago view
  • Billy McKinney had season-ending knee surgery last August and came to Minor League Camp this year somewhat restricted. (He was used mostly as a DH in Cactus League Minor League Camp games), and I'm not sure he's 100% right now (he's repeating AA, and his XBH numbers are way down, like he's not getting good rotation in his lowev half). That might have been part of the reason why the trade wasn't completed right away.

    Arizona Phil 2 hours 13 min ago view
  • Rashad Crawford was a basketball star in HS (he was known as "Baby Jordan", and baseball was only his second sport) and he has plus-speed and athleticism, so when the Cubs drafted him (Keith Lockhart was the scout)  he was seen as a long-term project.  

    I was at Fitch Park the day that Rashad Crawford became a LH hitter, He waa never a switch-hitter, He went directly from being a RH hitter to a LH hitter, which I had never seen before. 

    Arizona Phil 2 hours 21 min ago view