I Take It Back

Okay so we don't own the Cardinals at Wrigley, my bad. I meant to say we bow to your greatness, you crimson-colored state bird of Illinois. Z's back on the mound today and I wonder if he's approaching the season record for walks given up in a season, because he's given up a whole lot. Anyway, a national audience gets to watch our patheticness today. Go Cubs! GAME ONE HUNDRED-TWENTY-TWO IN-GAME DISCUSSION THREAD [PARACHAT] LOUIS CARDINALS (65-56 (Div) 1st- 0 GB; (Wild Card) N/A) AT CHICAGO CUBS (52-69 (Div) 5th - 13.0 GB; (Wild Card) 12th - 9.5 GB) Wrigley Field, 12:20 pm CDT Weather: Overcast, 73 degrees, Wind from L to R @ 8 mph TV: Fox, Radio: WGN, XM 187
Carlos Zambrano, RHP 13-5, 3.38 ERA, 170.2 IP 167 K, 96 BB, 18 HR 205/318/359 againstJeff Suppan, RHP 9-7, 5.00 ERA, 133.1 IP 74 K, 51 BB, 19 HR 287/357/482 against

#Aaron Miles, SS *Chris Duncan, LF Albert Pujols, 1B Scott Rolen, 3B #Scott Spiezo, LF Preston Wilson, CF Ronnie Belliard, 2B Yadier Molina, C Jeff Suppan, P *Juan Pierre, CF #Neifi Perez, SS Matt Murton, LF Aramis Ramirez, 3B *Jacque Jones, RF *John Mabry, 1B Henry Blanco, C Ronny Cedeno, 2B #Carlos Zambrano, P

Cardinals vs Zambrano: Scott Rolen: 7-36, 194/237/417, 5 K, 2 BB, 2 HR Albert Pujols: 8-36, 222/333/444, 7 K, 6 BB, 2 HR Jim Edmonds: 6-33, 182/357/394, 18 K, 6 BB, 2 HR Juan Encarnacion: 2-19, 105/150/105, 5 K, 1 BB, 0 XBH Preston Wilson: 5-19, 263/263/316, 7 K, 0 BB, 1 2B David Eckstein: 3-19, 158/200/158,1 K, 0 BB, 0 XBH Ronnie Belliard: 2-11, 182/357/273, 2 K, 3 BB, 1 2B Aaron Miles: 4-11, 364/500/364, 2 K, 2 BB, 0 XBH Cubs vs. Suppan: Jacque Jones: 11-33, 333/488/697, 7 K, 10 BB, 4 HR Aramis Ramirez: 5-18, 278/350/556 ,1 K, 2 BB, 1HR Michael Barrett: 8-18, 444/474/444, 1K, 1 BB Cesar Izturis: 5-18, 278/316/333, 0 K, 1 BB, 1 2B Neifi Perez: 5-15, 333/375/333, 0 K, 1 BB Juan Pierre: 4-13, 308/357/308, 1 K, 1 BB Henry Blanco: 2-10, 200/200/500,2 K, 0 BB, 1 HR
I wonder why Barrett's getting the day off? I wonder why Dusty hates us?

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murton in the three spot! thanks for a little respect dusty. i'm sure he'll need a day off tomorrow after handling the pressure of the 3 spot though, right?

also, it's not that national of an audience, it's midwesternal. i'm sure that everywhere else will see red sox-yankees.

Nice to see Murton higher in the order, but its just one funky lineup.

Looks like he rolled the Dusty Dice for todays game. Tomorrow it will be a completly different lineup because our manager is incapable of filling out the lineup Card with the same players for more than 2 days in a row.

I can't wait till he is gone and we get a manager who understands lineup consistency.

Anybody else struck by how dominant Z has been over Rolen, Pujols and Edmonds? (In particular, he's struck out Edmonds nearly 50% of the time!)

Mike C,
If you look at the lineups elsewhere in MLB there are more managers than Dusty with changes everyday. LaRussa does it almost as frequently. When you have one hole in the lineup with DLee out it causes 2 or 3 more down the lineup. The statheads of today should understand that it's about matchups and gut feeling. We may not like Dusty's lineup but then none of us are being paid to make out a MLB lineup and from my perspective most could not get any better results with what we have to work with right now. It's also been mentioned before that we have no way of knowing what little dings guys like Barrett are experiencing. The manager has to respond to those things everyday and we sit there and wonder why, but the manager is not going to let the opposition know that guys are under the weather or unavailable on a given day. After saying this I certainly would have rather had Cesar at SS than Neifi. Having to use 3 bench players at the same time though, WOW!

Look at that Cards lineup today. There was a day we would salivated over facing that one.

Nefi fake bunts with Pierre on 1st base. Then swings away the rest of the AB. Dusty would of made Theriot keep bunting till he saced Pierre over.

Murton does what a #2 hitter should do, by taking pitches and having a good eye, and allowing Pierre to do his job.

BTW, I am not just talking about this year but since 2003. Dusty is incapable of filling out a lineup card on a day to day basis. Even in the years when the offense was nearly untouched by injuries he was doing the same crap he is doing this year.

He always juggles players, he always moving guys all over the lineup, its always something different almost every day. The offense is always inconsistent and unreliable. You can not have a consistent offense if your lineup is not stable for weeks at a time. It is simply impossible to make an offense better by juggling it like Dusty does. It gives it no chance to gel.

Bobby Cox is always at the lower end of the scale, in terms of lineups used.

It seems to be working for him.

I sure wish the Cubs could get a defensive "wiz" behind the plate, like Yadir Molina. Also, wish Ramirez would show some hustle...

I'd venture a guess that the talent of the hitters is far more important than the consistency of the lineup.

The contest winner/journalist has a Felix Pie article up on cubs.com with the emphasis on Bobby Dernier being brought in to Iowa to work with Pie on his base stealing ability(or lack thereof).

http://mlb.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/news/article.js...

Anyone else sick of this Chris Duncan guy yet?

And Neifi runs to 2B on Molina's bunt, although he should have covered 3B as Dempster wanted to get Belliard out. Beautiful job.

Another Pie article:

http://www.minorleaguebaseball.com/app/news/a...

Sorry for the long URL.. couldn't figure out how to link it here.

Years from now we'll be talking about how the 'Phil Nevin Game' propelled the Cubs to the World Series.

Barrett must be hurt.

Looks like we own the Cardinals again and life is good when life is bad for the Cardinals.

nohit,

just go to tinyurl.com HERE and paste the long URL into their tinyurl creator

VOILA! out pops a short URL

And NEVIN for Next Year, too!

As I have posted on several occasions, I'd like to see Phil Nevin one more year as a backup for DLee.

He likes it here, earns his keep, and we do not have a decent 1B prospect in AAA that could give us what he could (for one more year).

tinyurl rules.

here's a nice piece about cubs 1st baseman d.lee complaining about dusty's use of middle infielders:

http://tinyurl.com/p9rbb

What's that I hear? Is it Hurricane MikeC coming to destroy Crunch because of that photograph? Maybe! Save yourselves!

im just saying...tinyurl is great for your friends and people you trust, but on a msg. board you never know who's giving you that message behind the link.

internet browsers arent the most secure things...embedded virii, buffer overruns, and straight up annoyances can occur behind these links.

i mean...i can post as an admin (as far as i know) without being blocked from posting.

the pic was just picked outta a yahoo image search for "stupid", btw...ha.

anyway, im just saying that tinyurl is great, but you gotta trust your source. i dont click only public tinyurl links, myself, without others guinei pig'ing it out first.

hey, at least i didnt send ya to tubgirl or hai2u =p

GOATSE.cx was the worst. It's been shut down twelve times. I think it even has its own Wiki entry.

I just traded Prior, Neifi, and Williamson for Rollins, Utley, and Myers in MLB 2k6. Why cant we do that in real life....

If it were only real.......

Can somebody please explain the importance of lineup consistency to me? Can you prove that teams with more consistent lineups score more runs and win more consistently than teams that have "juggled" lineups? Has somebody seriously studied the issue?

If you had the Cubs personnel and you put an optimal lineup out there everyday, you still wouldn't score many runs because the players suck as hitters.

BTW, if you're in favor of lineup consistency, does that mean you are anti-platooning? Personally, I would love to see either Murton or some right-hand hitter brought in to platoon with J. Jones next year. Or does Jacque need to go 0-for-4 every day against lefties so the lineup can "gel?"

Wow -- Lidge is a mess. Came into tonight's game vs. the Brewers in the 6th and walked 3 guys, including one to force home a run. Relievers are a funny breed.

E-Pat homered for Iowa tonight??? When did he get moved up?

debut'd tonite...fontenot's hurt, btw.

go epat.

So when does the "I can't beleive EPat is not getting playing time at 2B" complaints start?

EPat also made an error -- back to The Riot era!

ptth...whatever...bring on part 2 of the ojeda era!!

auggie! auggie! auggie!

Jamie Moyer was just dealt to the Phillies for two mid-tier prospects. He's gonna start against us on Tuesday. Fun!

wow Phils deal Lidle and Abreu and then decide they're still in it. I'm guessing Gillick and Moyer got along well in Philly...

speakng of interesting waiver wire rumors...THE ONE WE'RE ALL DREAMING OF!

from Toni Gianetti in the Sun Times today:

The Detroit Tigers are considering a move to replace injured second baseman Placido Polanco, and Cubs veteran Neifi Perez could be of interest after the Tigers failed to obtain Kansas City Royals second baseman Mark Grudzielanek.

Grudzielanek, a former Cub, signed a new contract with the Royals last week to end the trade possibility.

Perez, 33, a switch hitter who can play second, third and shortstop, is hitting .254 in 87 games and is signed through 2007.

Players involved in trades before the Aug. 31 deadline must clear waivers.

#32 -
Please, please, please...

Like Neifi would ever make it through waivers, he's our freaking MVP!

Dusty will never allow that to happen.

*sigh* Carpenter v. Mateo...

Good luck rookie.

Maybe Mateo will give Carp the Clemens treatment today. :)

khalil greene on the DL for the fathers. geoff blum i guess is the replacement....neifi-ish offense and worse D

maybe they want neifi??

wonder if they'll move walker over from 3B to SS...now that would be some funny shit.

#35 - No worries. Dusty got Hendry's word that should Neifi be moved, Lenny F. Harris will be signed ASAP.

Pierre
Izturis
Murton
Ramirez
Jones
Nevin
Blanco
Cedeno
Mateo

so...what's wrong with barrett?

did the eckstein collision screw him up, too?

yea, he has a leg contusion from the Eckstein collision.

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