Meli Kalikimaka Means Pitch Well, Jerome

GAME TEN IN-GAME DISCUSSION THREAD [PARACHAT] CHICAGO CUBS (6-3, 1st) AT PITTSBURGH PIRATES (3-9, 6th, -4.5) PNC PARK, 6:05 CDT Weather: Clear, 72 degrees, wind out to center 15 mph TV: WGN Radio: WGN, XM 186
Zach Duke, LHP 0-1, 6.55, 11 IP 6 K, 5 BB, 3 HRJerome Williams, RHP 0-0, 3.60, 5 IP 2 K, 5 BB, 1 HR
*Juan Pierre, CF">Jerry Hairston, 2B Derrek Lee, 1B Aramis Ramirez, 3B Michael Barrett, C #Angel Pagan, RF Matt Murton, LF Ronny Cedeno, SS Jerome Williams, PChris Duffy, CF Jack Wilson, SS Jason Bay, LF *Jeromy Burnitz, RF Craig Wilson, 1B Joe Randa, 3B Jose Castillo, 2B Humberto Cota, C *Zach Duke, P

--> After writing how the Pirates haven't been using Craig Wilson enough, we'll see him tonight in place of Sean Casey, who will be out 6-8 weeks with two fractures in his lower back after a collision with John Mabry last night. Yeowch. In other Pirate (and ex-Cub) injury news, Jody Gerut has been placed on the Restricted List after electing to have knee surgery against the wishes of the team. The Cubs made a roster move too, sending Michael Wuertz to AAA where he blongs and recalling the 100% valley-fever-free Roberto Novoa. Todd Walker gets four hits last night and sits tonight. Get used to it, Cubs fans. Jerome Williams makes his first start of the season tonight. As Kerry Wood, Wade Miller and Mark Prior inch closer to returning (Wood threw to hitters today and both Miller and Prior had 40-pitch sessions yesterday), Williams needs to establish himself if he hopes to stay in the rotation past May. Then again, he could always take Glendon Rusch's spot.


Jeff Williams is pitching tonight?

both Miller and Prior had 40-pitch sessions


No they didn't, ruz.

I hope Walker is banged up or something and it hasn't come out yet or there is no great reason Hairston is in today for Walker at 2B. I think Williams is mainly a GB pitcher, but Walker just had 2 days off against LHP's, no need to sit him down against a RHP. His defense isn't that great, but come on. I hate platoons, for this exact reason.

I think I liked it better when Hairston was in Baker's doghouse, instead of Walker being in Hendry's doghouse.

Is the rational for sitting Walker that Williams is a ground ball pitcher? Walker is the third best offensive weapon we have, and we have JHJ hitting in the two-hole...


Duke is a southpaw.


JHJ is in their cause Duke is left-handed and Jwill is a groundball pitcher. It is the best match-up just like he said said he was going to use.

lefty on the mound...ground ball...hairston is faster and better D...that's no macias they marched out there.

so are they sitting the hot man or is the days off he had what led to a refreshed walker getting the day he had last night?

no one knows...just like no one knows how walker would do if he started tonite. the team has 2 good 2nd basemen. hurrah and junk.

It is VERY IMPORTANT for a manager to sit hot hitting 2b because other wise the team might succeed if the player is talented and gets in a rhythm. Either that or Baker is, oh, NUTS.

Crunch how much do you get paid to spread this crap around? Yes Dusty is a genius by resting Walker more he gets more hits. We should rest him all season and save him for important games and he is guaranteed to get 4 or 5 hits.

I think this is a bit of nitpicking... I am along with everybody who thinks Walker is a central piece to this lineup and club but to me is not a big of a deal to see Hairston in there today with a lefthander pitcher and Cubs groundball pitcher. If Walker plays against the righthanders he will get plenty of at-bats and if Hairston doesn't produce against lefthanders then we hope that Walker gets more playingtime against lefties. But the fact that Hairston is a shot in the circumstances explained above is fine to me. Dusty made me sick last year, but so far his decisiones as not as clear-cut arguable as before. Historically their numbers vs. lefthanders are comparable anyway.


actually if it is a lefty on the mound I take back my smart ass comments. Seriously.

superj...once again i come with rational.

once again you come with pure bullshit.

look...walker sits for 2 days sans a popout and he comes back to hit 4.

now, you wanna go on and on about the virtue of rest leading to walker's hot bat? no, cuz that's as pure b/s as saying 1 game equals a hot bat.

and once again, if you dont like something i say you should stop acting like a 12 year old ya damn crybaby. whine whine whine.

yes, im paid by the cubs cuz my opinion differs from yours and you're the only rational person here. anyone who deviates from you opinon must be insane or paid off or whatever conspiracy theory you wanna dream up this time.

> both Miller and Prior had 40-pitch sessions

They had them yesterday, not today. That wasn't clear in what I wrote, so I fixed it.

And, my bad for not having Duke listed as a lefty, which mitigates (a bit) Walker sitting.

Anyone get to play on Mac OS X? I'm having trouble after just signing up this year. Worked two years ago, not so for me now...

"and we have JHJ hitting in the two-hole..."

Where would hairston bat???

Here is his and Walkers numbers over the past 3 years:

Walker: .287/.345/.452
Hairston: .277/.354/.379

So actually hairston gets on base more than Walker, just has less power, thus why he should be batting 2nd.

I did not know we were facing a LHp today, that is why hariston is starting, makes much more sense.

"JHJ is in their cause Duke is left-handed"

Thanks, for some reason I thought a RHP was starting tonight...makes much more sense.

Weurtz sent down...Novoa brought up. Just mentioned on TV broadcast.

Good idea...since Weurtz has been shelled and has lost 7-10 MPH on his fastball. Get him down there to try and fix things.

Roster mover: Wuertz down, Novoa up.

Jordan--i have on my Mac and it works there anyway to get the game on full screen? It sucks watching it on an ipod sized screen.

Red Sox called up Van Buren today after throwing Boomer on the DL...It'll be interesting to see how he fairs with the Sox.

Shame on all of you for not knowing that Duke was a lefty.

And Jordan, works fine for me on Mac OSX. Email me if you would like to discuss...

Isn't it nice having Burnitz on the opposing team? Btw, any of you find it ironic that Novoa had a hell of an illness *during* Spring Training and is already ready for action and they were claiming that Prior was behind because of a week or two in the hospital during the winter? I am tired of these towel/flat mound/simulated game crap routines of Rothschild... seems like everytime an important pitcher says they hurt somewhere you already know they will miss at least a month a half with these crap routines. I remember Fergy's comments about never doing any towel drill and stuff like that.


I have it working with Flip4Mac and opening in a quicktime window. I can make it bigger, but it is much lower quality than I was hoping. I had to set my screen to millions of colors instead of thousands to get it to display correctly...

> both Miller and Prior had 40-pitch sessions

They had them yesterday, not today. That wasn't clear in what I wrote, so I fixed it.

posted by: Christian

Actually, what I was getting at is Miller had a 60 pitch session. Prior had a 40.

Wood (pitching simulated game today of 3 innings)
Miller (about to pitch simulated games)
Prior (scheduled to throw 45 pitches Monday)

Baby Z?

Jerome looking loco, and I ain't talkin beads.

Actually, what I was getting at is Miller had a 60 pitch session. Prior had a 40.

The article said they both threw 40:

"Wade Miller, who had similar arthroscopic surgery on his right shoulder as Wood, but one month later, also threw 40 pitches on Friday in Arizona. He did two 20-pitch sessions, resting in-between, and is making good progress, Rothschild said."

Pagan pulled up lame running to first.

Hairston to RF, Walker to 2B! Do it Dusty!!!!!!

"Actually, what I was getting at is Miller had a 60 pitch session. Prior had a 40."

okay..its time to cut prior.

ive heard rumors of his lax offseason programs, but it is 100% inexcusable to sit around drinking 40s while miller is throwing.

LOL @ Crunch.

Whatever Dusty, you have Walker rotting away, we're down 1-0, put in Bynum, whatever.

What's your excuse Manny?

Yikes! Bynum must be playing for his bat, because it sure isn't his glove. Just yikes.

Even Mabry...

he deserves a nickname after Bynum took his sweet time in RF to retrieve Craig Wilson's double that he turned into a triple...and eventually scored on a sac fly:

freddy the freeloafer?

Ramirez loafing too...sheesh why not watch a deep flyball for a minute or two.

Is Bynum trying to make Jose Macia$ look good?

"What's your excuse Manny?"

Go FUCK yourself...

Hey, good start by JWill today. Definately earns anotehr few starts. Kept us in game. Cedeno error looks very costly right now. Still got a shot only down 2-1 going into 8th.

I don't know which end of the pipe Carrie Muskrat is smoking, Christian. But she ought to read her own articles because she's contradicting herself.

Unless his arm just fell off, Miller is ahead of Prior. It makes no sense for Miller to throw only 40 pitches Friday and, in fact, Kiley over at the Suntimes reported he threw 60.

There's also these previous reports:

Cubs | Miller throwing more from mound
Sun, 9 Apr 2006 23:08:47 -0700

The Chicago Tribune reports Chicago Cubs SP Wade Miller (shoulder), who had offseason shoulder surgery, is throwing more than 50 pitches from a mound and is on target for an April or May return to the lineup.

Cubs | Miller throws off the mound
Fri, 7 Apr 2006 10:08:12 -0700

Carrie Muskat, of, reports Chicago Cubs SP Wade Miller (shoulder) threw three sets of 15 pitches off the mound Wednesday, April 5. No timeline was given on his return but he underwent the same surgery procedure Thursday, September 29, 2005, as Cubs SP Kerry Wood (shoulder) did one month earlier.


ha ha

Poor 9th inning. 4 pitches...Neifi and Cedeno swing at first pitch. When will Cedeno get his forst BB?? At least Jwill pitched well. Hope Rusch can put down the doughnuts for one day and pitch well tomorrow.


Andy Sisco comes in with bases loaded, gives up all 3 inhereited runs and his ERA drops to 12.60 from 15.00...NICE!!

williams pitches well
cedeno, bynum lay eggs
sad news from pittsburgh

Cubs are last in the MLB in BB. What is the deal? Dusty is nuts or Walker is injured. I of course think Dusty is nuts. Crunch is on the payroll (crunch what is logical about the fact that Walker resting led to his 4 hits and so you should rest him more? That is NUTSO!) . Pierre is batting .214. J Will's performance was pretty good.

Cedneo now has 3 errors and two of them were very costly, including todays. I think it is fair to start getting worried a little about his throws. His glove seems to be good, but he also had like 5-7 balls thrown into the dirt that Lee had to pick out.

He is batting .351 so far, so that is making up for his defense, but that will come down and with him swinging at everything and having ZERO walks so far, I hope he starts to calm down some and know he is the everyday SS and relax.

sj? evidently you didnt read my posts cuz i pose a question/situation twice about his "hot bat"...

i'll rehash it...

a 1 game hot streak after 2 days where he saw 1ab and popped out. the question...why sit a guy on a 1-game hot streak? the questions...would more rest for walker give him more days like yesterday?

i find both scenerios believable, explainable, and totally f'n retarded.

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  • four winds field is awesome. it's crazy how minor league parks have "grown up" since the 80s/90s and that park was one of the late-80s models that showed a low-capacity ballpark could look like you're at something other than a highschool baseball game.

    crunch 49 min 46 sec ago view
  • On another topic....I returned to South Bend last night for the 2nd time this season (still haven't tried either the deep-fried mac & cheese sandwich nor "The Porknado", as the drive home is over an hour and that could get ugly), and was pleasantly surprised to find D. Underwood pitching in a rehab start. He looked good -- although, to be fair, these are low-A hitters -- fastball consistently at 94-95 (if the SB scoreboard is to be believed -- several pitches were clocked in the 30s...) and with good location.

    billybucks 1 hour 58 min ago view
  • he gains nothing, no advantage, no saving of resources, nothing...there is not a cost/benefit tradeoff...him letting the running game go on around him for others to control isn't gaining him an advantage elsewhere. it's putting him at a disadvantage even if it's not cashed in with a run.

    crunch 4 hours 38 min ago view
  • And out of respect for the rest of TCR, I'm done on this. I'm sure I'm not the only one in the other camp, but time to let it go. (Until the next Lester start. I kid.)


    Tito 4 hours 41 min ago view
  • He is putting himself at a disadvanage. But how much of one relative to the rest of his game? He's not Justin Germano -- he's inarguably one of the best SPs in baseball, issue or not. It would be more of thing to discuss ad nauseum if it constantly caused him to give up runs and lose games. But it doesn't.


    Tito 4 hours 51 min ago view
  • shouting down my points about lester with "well, it didn't hurt" is like saying it doesn't matter if a guy starts out walking 3 guys every inning as long it's followed by a K and a double play.

    it's like elevating ERA and wins to a high level while ignoring what it took to get there.

    crunch 4 hours 57 min ago view
  • I'm asking how much it has hurt Lester and the Cubs this year. Do you have that answer?

    I legitimately don't recall you answering that quesion, apart from the condescending silliness you just posted. So if you did answer specifically about the impact of Lester's issue, I'd like to re-read it. Thanks.


    Tito 5 hours 10 min ago view
  • if runner = on base and pitcher = j.lester then lead = large

    if lead = large then probability of extra base on following hit > average of mean

    okay, enough of that silliness... can read more on the thread i copy/pasted this from the last time you decided you needed to talk to me about me.

    crunch 5 hours 16 min ago view
  • Thank you for your answer.


    Tito 5 hours 20 min ago view
  • bless your heart.

    crunch 5 hours 21 min ago view
  • I don't recall you answering my question about quantifying how it has hurt Lester and the Cubs this season, apart from one guy scoring on a sac fly. Can you direct me to your answer? Thanks.


    Tito 5 hours 26 min ago view
  • Lester's personal catcher has an .809 OPS.


    Tito 5 hours 29 min ago view
  • we already has this asinine discussion. you didn't like the answer. there's already an answer above you can apply about how a guy goes from 1st base to home on a sac fly that included him stealing 3rd while lester watched from the mound. the fact that the cubs bats, 100% independent of that situation, scored some runs invalidates it as an issue to you. i find that stupid. we will not get anywhere with this. you know we will not get anywhere with this...because we already had this asinine discussion.


    crunch 5 hours 30 min ago view
  • it's not about never was.

    jake arrieta being slow to the plate isn't comparable to jon lester not throwing to any base. how the runners read off arrieta isn't anything similar to what a runner is reading off lester.

    maybe arrieta could use a personal catcher solely to control his running game...but i doubt it's that important.

    crunch 5 hours 34 min ago view
  • Can you quantify how this has hurt Lester/the Cubs this season?


    Tito 5 hours 34 min ago view
  • Is WISCGRAD still around? Here's a project for him or anyone else who would be interested...

    Lester's allowed 22 SBs. How many of those have scored and how many games did the Cubs lose due to them?


    Tito 5 hours 41 min ago view